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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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we're back with Jean and Chris on the

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para cast really really interesting

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guests coming to us from the first time

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it's interesting about where these

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guests are located he's about 20 minutes

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from me and until today I have not met

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him officially I've never talked to him

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Chris has but we'll get into who that

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guest is a little bit later we want to

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talk of course about all sorts of

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subjects some of which are related to

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the political I hate to do that except

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that right now in Stephenville Texas the

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same location where we had the UFO

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sightings there's a trial going on for

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the person who shot and killed the

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person who was glorified in the movie

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American sniper it's the Clint Eastwood

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movie that has grossed like 300 million

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dollars or something it's maybe five

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times more than anything Clint Eastwood

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has ever done and I guess when you talk

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about that you think back to the Iraq

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war and the reasons we got into the Iraq

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war and then Chris says you really want

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to get into trouble

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and I said sure that's what the power

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cast is here for so he says maybe we

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should talk about the real reason we

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wanted to go after Saddam Hussein and

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that's because Iraq had a Stargate oh

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2004 we we already realized that it was

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a bit of a quagmire we've had gotten

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ourselves into and some stories came out

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did I faintly remember kind of a Michael

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too-good-to-be-true type things but

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there was a story floating around that

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we had a team over there that was going

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around central northern Iraq because

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had his guys had discovered or uncovered

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at an archaeological site a Stargate

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Stargate so basically they thought that

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maybe this war was started by Dean

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Devlin who was one of the producers

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roland emmerich anyway there was a

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coupla James Spader found in the

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anyway this that's what that's how the

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story went that the reason why we went

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in there was not because of the pose a

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dictator wasn't weapons of mass

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the Saudis it was to take control over

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this alien technology and I remember

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thinking to myself dammit someone's

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gonna have to make a movie about that

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that sounds like great Hollywood

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material but but this whole Clint

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Eastwood movie and the the uproar that's

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kind of you know sprung up around it I

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think is some of the complaints that

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people have and some of the observations

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we're in the movie I have not seen the

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movie but according to articles that

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went into Iraq and how we were misled as

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a country to go into that particular

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conflict and totally disrupt the lives

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of millions of people and and

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potentially kill or injure up upwards of

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a million Iraqis good to me that whole

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thing is ludicrous now we're fiddling

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around and in the Ukraine and we're

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playing kind of I don't know some sort

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of games over there I'm not really

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keeping up on what's going on I was just

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did so disgust me that we're sticking

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our nose into other people's business

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like that let the you know folks in

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Odessa and Kiev and done ask in these

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places let them figure it out for

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themselves we have no business going

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and poking that big Russian bear in the

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ass with a stick I think is very unwise

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what do you think Jane well if you look

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at the entire picture here some suggest

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that the reason we even have an Isis or

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in the first place and we caused all

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sorts of chaos came these terrorist

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groups but you know that's another story

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it's part of the news that you hear

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point the point being could there have

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that was viable in Iraq and let's leave

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it at that because it's one of those

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things that will be a neverending story

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and the news will always supplant

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anything we're going to say on this show

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let's get back to our little corner of

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the world and leave it at that but in

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our corner of the world we have more and

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more grandstanding of late of course we

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have a situation unfortunate situation

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with John Greenwald of the black fault

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over this aborted attempt to post these

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project Bluebook archives to claims that

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ancestry.com and that got to be really

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confusing I don't want to go back to

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that because I've already said we're

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gonna say now when we get our guest on a

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little bit later I'm going to ask him

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about the so called Roswell slides you

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know the ones found in someone's attic

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and now there have been leaked versions

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are one or maybe both of these slides

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being presented online and I hear at

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least from the blogs from Kevin Randle

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he has a blog called a different

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perspective you can google it and find

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it's a great place by the way to visit

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lots of very important and significant

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comments from Kevin who is always

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outspoken and all the people who read

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real things but just blurry versions of

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them and that begs the question if these

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things are being kept hidden by Tom

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carried on Schmidt the being kept hidden

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how did these disclosures come about

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what's going on here Chris it's just a

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Jaime Masson that they were going to

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compelling and they do show something

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real what does it prove it doesn't prove

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alien photographs and even if there was

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all these things you would still be left

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workups necropsy reports and analysis of

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information and I'll you know I'll get

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all excited the fact it's charging but

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from 300 so what thirty five dollars I

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poster was in pesos so it had to be

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converted to dollars but thirty five

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people and the question I have here if

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this is a genuine news event you want

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the mainstream press the media to take

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it seriously why do you go to another

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country what do you go to Mexico City

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why can't you do this in Washington DC

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we are going to call a press conference

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being I'll work with any disclosure

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person like a Stephen bass if you can

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get the media out I guess and get them

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in there and say we are going to present

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true the emulsion was made 1947 how do

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take pictures and then where's the chain

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all you have as a picture what's in the

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picture is it real I mean what do you do

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what do you do tell us in the next 15

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seconds Chris about our guest well I

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can't believe he's not been on the show

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before but Alejandro Rojas is the

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managing director of open minds

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he's a fountain of information a great

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guy fun guy to be around and we're

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looking forward to having him on the

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show Alejandro Rojas training Jean and

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Chris you're in the berry cast first

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game attack of the rockets and it was a

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critically acclaimed success and now

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock codes

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and the coming of the protectors

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we have Alejandro Rojas joining us with

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Jeanne and Chris but before we introduce

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our guests for the very first time on

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the para cast let me tell you he lives

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five minutes away from me so for the two

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and a half years I've lived in this

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particular part of Arizona he's been a

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less than five minute drive from me I

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don't think we've ever crossed paths or

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maybe he saw me on the road and started

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screaming at me for getting too close to

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him I have no idea but we won't get

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small world gene it sounds like an old

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Disney song in any case I want to tell

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five years and now from open minds my

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neighbor though I haven't been aware of

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this before Alejandro Rojas howdy

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neighbor hey neighbor yeah that's pretty

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funny that's cool I believe you've never

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been on the show Alejandro I know it's

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been years and years and of course I've

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heard the show occasionally I've known

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Chris of course for many years and the

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show is well known I would say we

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probably have the two most popular

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podcasts in this kind of genre yeah so

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I'm very very happy to be on the show

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thank you very much

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well we have a lot to talk about we like

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to get guests

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such as yourself on the show towards the

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beginning of the year especially because

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we we like to talk about some of the the

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news items and some of the stories that

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made headlines the prior year and of

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course you know you write for a

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Huffington Post and you're tuned in to

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because of your your own show and and

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the the very good spacing out show that

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you do with Maureen there at open minds

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and with Jason and stuff you you guys

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always have your pulse on on the

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breaking news stories of the day and you

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know one of the things we wanted to do

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is kind of pick your brain and see what

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you thought about the year to the 2014

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and some of the stories that may just

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sit there and go hmm

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yeah that's cool I think well what's fun

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about the year and this always happened

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but maybe even I kind of say this every

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year but it seems like more so this year

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is that when I look to write the yeren

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review stories I always think man

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there's this was a lame year there

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wasn't much happen what am I gonna write

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about then I go review the year and it's

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like holy crap a lot happened this year

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and there's a ton to write about so this

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was one of those years were really

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surprisingly when I looked it up there

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were a lot of really cool things that

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happened well I don't know if this is a

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cool thing that happened but I wanted to

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get your take on it we have this ongoing

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stuff about the alleged Roswell slides

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mm-hmm all right we have a large thread

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in the para cast forums that forum that

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the para cast come where they're talking

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about nothing else for those listeners

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who are looking at what the heck I'm

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talking about here if you go to forum

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dr. para cast comm there's a thread

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entitled the roswell slides have been

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leaked online okay so we start with that

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and Chris and I have mentioned it

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briefly these things are found in an

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attic a couple of slides supposedly

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depicting some possible or alleged alien

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creature and now we're hearing that one

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or more of those slides has appeared

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online what are you hearing I have not

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seen any of these slides on line however

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I think I know what they're talking

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about so essentially if you look at the

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late

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which is you know mostly this story has

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been all about it's been in kind of like

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us you know the real people looking at

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the latest and greatest and kind of the

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backstory of what do you follow just are

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up to it hasn't been as it's more

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mainstream and upfront so we've been

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following these details I've been

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following this all very closely and I'm

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friends with Don Schmidt so I always

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discuss with him what's going on that

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way and thus far up until recently he's

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been kind of like hey we haven't

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released our information what's gotten

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out there has been not accurate and it's

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been you know released way too early

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this is not part of our release plan

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unfortunately there's there's a guy out

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there who's gotten some information and

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and ran with it before really verifying

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everything and working with the group

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because they're supposed to be this

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roswell dream team they're all working

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with sounds like a Roswell nightmare

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team though like they're all getting

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together I'm it and carrier evidently

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from what I'm hearing largely going out

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on their own with this venture it's not

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part of what the other members of the

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dream team are working on I think it

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could be argued that Schmidt and Kerry

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are the core of the dream team but

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another major player in that dream team

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would be Kevin Randle and if it were up

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to me if you know my advice would be and

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has been keep it to you three

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you three are more professional don't go

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outside of that core group but they

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unfortunately haven't included Kevin

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Randle who I think is a cooler more

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grounded head although and you guys

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might agree with Kevin's decision on

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this he's kind of said well this has

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gone quite a ways and I don't want

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anything to do with it at this point

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which might be a wise decision although

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he's certainly interested because he's

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posting a lot of stuff about it but you

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can't stop talking about it's like

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Roswell itself yeah we're the eight

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years of the power cast we've said well

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this is going to be the last discussion

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we're going to have about Roswell we're

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going to give it up we can't possibly

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cover this anymore because this dead

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story it's a cold case maybe someday

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we'll find some information maybe we

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won't end of story and then something

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new comes on where a guest comes on

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everybody wants to hear from the guest

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so now we have the slides the thing that

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bothers me about the whole thing is the

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pre announcement and the way it's being

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publicized I mean I have no problem with

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Mexico City or even going there but why

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do two American UFO researchers choose a

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venue in another country to hold a

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public event why can't they just call a

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press conference in Washington DC and

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say here's what we have mm-hmm I don't

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make a blow to dojin and it's not so

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much a day I don't think being in this

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bill and I'm sure you all have certainly

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ran into this many times where people

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call you and they say I've got the best

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picture or I've got the best video how

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much will you pay me for it of course

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we're always because we try to be a news

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organization we won't pay you a dime for

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it we'll write about it we'll we'll help

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you get it analyzed

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but we're this is the same when I worked

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with MUFON but we're not gonna pay you

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for it and there are these people who

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want these big paychecks in this case

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and hopefully I'm not defying any

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confidence is when I say that this is

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more about the owner of the slides and

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that person's decision rather than I

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don't think this is do i Don would want

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it to be released however that you know

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Jaime was able to strike a deal and

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create this relationship with the owner

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of the slides and so he's going with

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Jaime and of course for us it's

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frustrating because there's a lot lost

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in translation I think here in Mexico it

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might be okay to have all this fanfare

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and this kind of circus atmosphere

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around research like what Jaime is doing

544
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and it's something Jaime we've seen him

545
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do this before let's go into that in

546
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641
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642
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radio so we're covering the Roswell

643
00:27:28,820 --> 00:27:25,850
slides and the way it's being presented

644
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,830
Alejandro Rojas from open minds joins us

645
00:27:33,139 --> 00:27:30,960
on the para cast would you continue

646
00:27:35,239 --> 00:27:33,149
please explaining what's going on here

647
00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:35,249
yeah essentially we're getting to how

648
00:27:39,019 --> 00:27:37,100
you know Jaime's kind of created this

649
00:27:41,330 --> 00:27:39,029
marketing kind of circus atmosphere

650
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,340
around these slides and research which

651
00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:43,919
is certainly I think hurts the

652
00:27:48,139 --> 00:27:45,929
credibility of the work and the research

653
00:27:49,879 --> 00:27:48,149
and the slides themselves but it's

654
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:49,889
something that Jaime does you know that

655
00:27:53,690 --> 00:27:52,110
we've seen him do this before it's his

656
00:27:56,029 --> 00:27:53,700
kind of thing and maybe that place well

657
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:56,039
maybe that's expected in Mexico City

658
00:28:00,350 --> 00:27:57,690
good night

659
00:28:02,330 --> 00:28:00,360
yeah the interest is so high down there

660
00:28:05,659 --> 00:28:02,340
that you would be able to fill a 10,000

661
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,669
seat arena well maybe that's what he

662
00:28:09,619 --> 00:28:07,440
thought five years ago when he held a

663
00:28:12,289 --> 00:28:09,629
conference part of the big news around

664
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:12,299
the conference which you know to be

665
00:28:14,899 --> 00:28:12,720
honest

666
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:14,909
okay I'm friends with Jaime I get a lot

667
00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:16,529
but we certainly don't see eye to eye on

668
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:19,710
things but a lot of this conference at

669
00:28:23,989 --> 00:28:21,330
least his part around this conference

670
00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:23,999
was around this body of a squirrel

671
00:28:28,460 --> 00:28:26,580
monkey that he thought was an alien that

672
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:28,470
he was talking about again this circus

673
00:28:32,180 --> 00:28:30,570
kind of atmosphere he got on the

674
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:32,190
Discovery Channel and was playing this

675
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:33,600
for everything that he could and he

676
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:35,610
thought this conference was going to

677
00:28:39,649 --> 00:28:37,320
have like five to seven thousand people

678
00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:39,659
and he had this huge place that he

679
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,700
rented and it didn't he was going to do

680
00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:43,919
an annual conference but he lost a lot

681
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:46,409
of money it was beautifully produced you

682
00:28:50,749 --> 00:28:47,970
should have seen it we flew to Mexico

683
00:28:52,249 --> 00:28:50,759
City that to cover it and it was amazing

684
00:28:54,289 --> 00:28:52,259
it was better than any conference here

685
00:28:57,259 --> 00:28:54,299
that it was spare no expense stage

686
00:28:59,509 --> 00:28:57,269
lighting everything but it was a huge

687
00:29:01,100 --> 00:28:59,519
flop so he thought he was gonna get all

688
00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:01,110
these people and he didn't he ended up

689
00:29:03,169 --> 00:29:02,369
losing money where he thought he was

690
00:29:06,289 --> 00:29:03,179
gonna make money

691
00:29:10,639 --> 00:29:06,299
I am extremely skeptical that he can

692
00:29:13,070 --> 00:29:10,649
fill a 10,000 person Stadium and what

693
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:13,080
has he got to show they've already kind

694
00:29:17,899 --> 00:29:15,690
of for lack of a better term they've

695
00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:17,909
kinda already blown their load here in

696
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:20,100
that they've given about all the details

697
00:29:24,540 --> 00:29:21,760
they can the only thing they haven't

698
00:29:26,010 --> 00:29:24,550
has shown the slides and I think this

699
00:29:28,620 --> 00:29:26,020
thing about people saying the slides

700
00:29:31,530 --> 00:29:28,630
have been released online one of the

701
00:29:33,450 --> 00:29:31,540
researchers released a video where he's

702
00:29:35,580 --> 00:29:33,460
excited it's this crow Tacoma

703
00:29:37,650 --> 00:29:35,590
photographic historian I guess who

704
00:29:39,450 --> 00:29:37,660
validated that the slides were from that

705
00:29:40,890 --> 00:29:39,460
time period looks like he's really

706
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:40,900
excited about it and he's going to do

707
00:29:44,550 --> 00:29:42,490
his own documentary so we released a

708
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:44,560
trailer in conjunction with the press

709
00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:47,250
conference jaime did and in that trailer

710
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,590
he's kind of making an image of what he

711
00:29:55,050 --> 00:29:52,720
thinks the alien looks like based off of

712
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:55,060
the slide and there is a screenshot

713
00:30:00,780 --> 00:29:58,210
where you see half of this alien what

714
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,790
looks like from the slide space so that

715
00:30:04,620 --> 00:30:02,320
could be what people are talking about

716
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:04,630
in that the face of this thing seems to

717
00:30:08,730 --> 00:30:06,910
be released so there's a lot out there

718
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:08,740
and there's not much to show at the

719
00:30:13,470 --> 00:30:11,290
stadium I just wonder why Kerry and

720
00:30:15,330 --> 00:30:13,480
Schmitt would agree to this if they

721
00:30:15,810 --> 00:30:15,340
believe that what they have is the real

722
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:15,820
thing

723
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:18,640
why get involved in a sideshow because

724
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:20,650
right now I don't see a lot of the

725
00:30:25,170 --> 00:30:23,110
chatter that I read being terribly

726
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:25,180
favorable about the thing it comes

727
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:27,850
across as just an effort to hype some

728
00:30:31,980 --> 00:30:29,530
kind of public event and make some money

729
00:30:34,410 --> 00:30:31,990
well it's hard and I would like to ask

730
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:34,420
both of you because you guys have been

731
00:30:37,950 --> 00:30:36,010
in this field what you would do because

732
00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:37,960
I asked myself the same question and I

733
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,070
don't know that I've come up with a

734
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:41,200
definitive answer okay let's say you

735
00:30:46,350 --> 00:30:43,930
found a piece of evidence you organized

736
00:30:48,510 --> 00:30:46,360
the research around it but you didn't

737
00:30:50,430 --> 00:30:48,520
own it you know it was owned by a third

738
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:50,440
party and this happens I've dealt with

739
00:30:56,010 --> 00:30:53,050
this before you all probably have too

740
00:30:59,520 --> 00:30:56,020
and this third party decides to release

741
00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:59,530
it and against your advice in a way that

742
00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:02,080
undermines the credibility what are you

743
00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:04,390
gonna do then just wash your hands a bit

744
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:06,790
and walk away and not talk about the

745
00:31:12,330 --> 00:31:10,090
research that you did so it's it's it's

746
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:12,340
a hard case and I think that's where

747
00:31:17,580 --> 00:31:15,490
dawn especially is is he can't he can't

748
00:31:19,620 --> 00:31:17,590
walk away that he's got his share you

749
00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:19,630
know what the research that he helped

750
00:31:26,550 --> 00:31:23,230
organize and so it's a tough spot I

751
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:26,560
think that Don and Tom are in well I

752
00:31:31,050 --> 00:31:28,930
think in a situation like that maybe

753
00:31:32,910 --> 00:31:31,060
they should have done more to set the

754
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:32,920
ground rules before getting involved

755
00:31:36,649 --> 00:31:34,440
because this is why you had

756
00:31:38,509 --> 00:31:36,659
problems like this because somebody

757
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:38,519
decides they want to do something that's

758
00:31:44,419 --> 00:31:41,370
going to provide an income stream

759
00:31:46,399 --> 00:31:44,429
perhaps or lap lissa t then you have two

760
00:31:48,830 --> 00:31:46,409
people who were supposed to be serious

761
00:31:50,749 --> 00:31:48,840
researchers and they're brought up in

762
00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:50,759
the thick of it and it turns it into a

763
00:31:55,220 --> 00:31:52,620
three-ring circus and no matter what

764
00:31:57,860 --> 00:31:55,230
they present whatever they deliver at

765
00:31:59,360 --> 00:31:57,870
this event I don't see how it could meet

766
00:32:02,990 --> 00:31:59,370
the hype it's just gonna be one of those

767
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:03,000
failed efforts to present alleged

768
00:32:08,029 --> 00:32:05,610
evidence of alien visitations and we're

769
00:32:11,860 --> 00:32:08,039
back at square one again I agree with

770
00:32:16,909 --> 00:32:11,870
you their best case scenario we get a

771
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:16,919
picture of what could be an alien you

772
00:32:21,259 --> 00:32:19,500
know but we can't talk to the people who

773
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:21,269
took the picture we don't know the

774
00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:23,340
context it was taken in we don't know

775
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,710
who took it we can't ask anybody about

776
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,080
that so we've just got this interesting

777
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:30,960
picture that proves absolutely nothing

778
00:32:36,169 --> 00:32:34,289
even if it is from 1947 there's no link

779
00:32:38,659 --> 00:32:36,179
to Roswell we don't know for sure oh

780
00:32:40,249 --> 00:32:38,669
just because possibly some aliens

781
00:32:42,769 --> 00:32:40,259
crashed in Roswell doesn't mean that

782
00:32:45,740 --> 00:32:42,779
this slide is from that so that's

783
00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:45,750
best-case scenario on top of that then

784
00:32:51,769 --> 00:32:47,940
you have it released by Jaime mousse on

785
00:32:54,769 --> 00:32:51,779
who has backed several cases that have

786
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:54,779
turned out to be hoaxes which further

787
00:32:59,960 --> 00:32:57,840
undermines the credibility of the photo

788
00:33:03,590 --> 00:32:59,970
so you're right I mean a best-case

789
00:33:06,919 --> 00:33:03,600
scenario is here's another possible

790
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:06,929
alien from hi MA but knowing Jaime who

791
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:09,690
falls for hoaxes and has you know

792
00:33:14,299 --> 00:33:12,840
promoted hoaxes in the past you've got

793
00:33:18,590 --> 00:33:14,309
to take it with a grain of salt

794
00:33:20,779 --> 00:33:18,600
so you're I mean the end game for this

795
00:33:23,659 --> 00:33:20,789
whole thing is not that positive

796
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:23,669
there'll be some news from it probably

797
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:26,250
is mainstream picks it up they'll

798
00:33:29,419 --> 00:33:27,480
probably make fun of it

799
00:33:33,169 --> 00:33:29,429
mainstream media I've talked to you thus

800
00:33:36,110 --> 00:33:33,179
far are extremely skeptical even of the

801
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:36,120
best-case scenario so if they cover it

802
00:33:41,180 --> 00:33:38,000
there'll be lots of tongue-in-cheek and

803
00:33:44,629 --> 00:33:41,190
and yeah so it the endgame is not so

804
00:33:47,180 --> 00:33:44,639
great really for all the fervor I mean

805
00:33:48,259 --> 00:33:47,190
this is partly one of the arguments we

806
00:33:50,209 --> 00:33:48,269
have with

807
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,219
like a Stephen Bassett who wants to get

808
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:52,799
disclosure that he holds events it's a

809
00:33:57,349 --> 00:33:55,289
different thing than what you folks do

810
00:33:59,449 --> 00:33:57,359
with an international UFO Congress where

811
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,459
you're holding an event for people

812
00:34:03,949 --> 00:34:01,200
interested in the subject it's not a

813
00:34:05,329 --> 00:34:03,959
scientific presentation it's for the

814
00:34:07,399 --> 00:34:05,339
public and you have a variety of

815
00:34:09,169 --> 00:34:07,409
speakers but when you're trying to go to

816
00:34:12,829 --> 00:34:09,179
the government and get them interested

817
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:12,839
in investigating UFOs further the whole

818
00:34:17,869 --> 00:34:14,970
congressional hearings you have to be

819
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:17,879
real circumspect about the level of

820
00:34:23,269 --> 00:34:20,730
speakers you present because if you're

821
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:23,279
not the media and the politicians will

822
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:24,720
look at the least of it

823
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:27,240
seize upon that and that's the end of

824
00:34:33,740 --> 00:34:30,450
the story I agree with you a hundred and

825
00:34:35,930 --> 00:34:33,750
fifty percent only 150 I'm hurt

826
00:34:37,369 --> 00:34:35,940
well I was gonna say a hundred and fifty

827
00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:37,379
thousand but I thought that might be

828
00:34:41,899 --> 00:34:39,899
overkill but I think that you're just

829
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:41,909
pandering to me and you're not I never

830
00:34:46,490 --> 00:34:44,609
met you before like how about infinity

831
00:34:48,740 --> 00:34:46,500
percent I agree with I agree with that

832
00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:48,750
infinity percent that's good yeah

833
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:50,460
yes sir but I agree with you

834
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:53,129
wholeheartedly there I think you know

835
00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:55,020
certainly the UFO Congress is more

836
00:35:02,329 --> 00:34:57,720
populist we're trying to present the

837
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:02,339
field and not impose our own feelings or

838
00:35:08,029 --> 00:35:05,250
opinions on the field but just present

839
00:35:11,930 --> 00:35:08,039
the field as it is what people believe

840
00:35:14,359 --> 00:35:11,940
what our audience believes or is

841
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:14,369
interested in completely so we're trying

842
00:35:19,549 --> 00:35:16,410
to from the fringe to the credible we've

843
00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:19,559
had scientists so we try to run the

844
00:35:21,859 --> 00:35:21,240
whole gamut there but you're exactly

845
00:35:24,799 --> 00:35:21,869
right

846
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:24,809
someone like you know Robert Hastings

847
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:27,510
gets this he did it the right way when

848
00:35:32,269 --> 00:35:29,250
he went to the to the press conference

849
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:32,279
or Washington Press Club and you know he

850
00:35:36,140 --> 00:35:34,170
had military witnesses that's how we do

851
00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:36,150
it that's desert credible people and you

852
00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:38,760
know you see CNN pick it up but Bassett

853
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:41,400
is more of a populist person you know in

854
00:35:48,349 --> 00:35:44,250
fact I was just luckily I got to go to

855
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:48,359
New York for a movie junket and so I got

856
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:49,650
to have lunch with Lisa beagle just

857
00:35:55,940 --> 00:35:51,569
yesterday and we were talking about this

858
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:55,950
and I think that's it kind of represents

859
00:36:01,790 --> 00:36:00,000
those people who want to believe it's

860
00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:01,800
almost a religious sort of thing

861
00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:04,260
but it's also a political thing I mean

862
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:06,540
political beliefs are certainly at odds

863
00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:09,110
with the science and the research

864
00:36:14,210 --> 00:36:11,070
constantly I mean that's that's a

865
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,220
constant thing and basset boo is the guy

866
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:16,320
who represents those people who have a

867
00:36:20,780 --> 00:36:18,930
lot of these beliefs regardless of

868
00:36:24,590 --> 00:36:20,790
whether they are substantiated by

869
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:24,600
research and proof and I am NOT

870
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:26,370
confident having known Bassett and

871
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:28,260
interviewed him many times that he

872
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:31,020
understands what the media or the

873
00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:32,910
mainstream are looking at or what they

874
00:36:37,580 --> 00:36:34,950
believe are evidence versus what he

875
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:37,590
believes is evidence let's go back into

876
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,110
that in our next segment with Alejandro

877
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Rojas and Jean and Chris you're in the

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best attack of the rock AIDS has been

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you'll never forget a former US military

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intelligence officer is haunted by

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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

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pleading for his help after a terrible

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1008
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1009
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:26,250
Bassett early on the power cast where we

1010
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:28,609
questioned him about vetting his

1011
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:31,410
speakers his presenters at these events

1012
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:34,079
and he basically said and sometimes in

1013
00:42:38,809 --> 00:42:36,900
not very calm words I don't care

1014
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:38,819
and that's something he doesn't seem to

1015
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:40,710
understand and what worries me about

1016
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:43,200
that and more so about of course the

1017
00:42:48,589 --> 00:42:45,569
Roswell circus it's going to happen in

1018
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:48,599
Mexico City in May is that this makes it

1019
00:42:54,859 --> 00:42:52,290
harder to convince people that the UFO

1020
00:42:59,870 --> 00:42:54,869
mystery is a mystery and is significant

1021
00:43:03,530 --> 00:42:59,880
you know I always look at the field from

1022
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:03,540
a high level so I try not to invest my

1023
00:43:08,089 --> 00:43:06,780
hopes and and dreams on what may happen

1024
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:08,099
in the future

1025
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:11,970
but and just what it is your hands your

1026
00:43:16,030 --> 00:43:12,800
practical

1027
00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:16,040
yeah I mean whether or not it hampers

1028
00:43:20,770 --> 00:43:19,190
what people believe it is what it is you

1029
00:43:23,710 --> 00:43:20,780
know there's a we're not going to be

1030
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:23,720
able to stop the people out there who to

1031
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:25,850
undermine credit their own credibility

1032
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:28,960
and that's the fields credibility

1033
00:43:33,610 --> 00:43:31,040
there's always going to be these

1034
00:43:37,780 --> 00:43:33,620
extremely fringe characters who are

1035
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:37,790
vying for you know the limelight and and

1036
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:41,810
get it quite often and with material

1037
00:43:46,810 --> 00:43:43,850
that that is hurtful at you know if you

1038
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:46,820
look at someone like Greer recently or

1039
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,730
or Bassett or some of these others now

1040
00:43:53,710 --> 00:43:52,160
just because I agree with disagree with

1041
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:53,720
them though doesn't necessarily mean

1042
00:44:00,160 --> 00:43:55,970
that all of these people are doing this

1043
00:44:01,630 --> 00:44:00,170
because they are for malicious reasons I

1044
00:44:03,130 --> 00:44:01,640
think a lot of times they believe that

1045
00:44:04,930 --> 00:44:03,140
they're doing something positive and

1046
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:04,940
moving towards something and you know

1047
00:44:09,550 --> 00:44:07,280
what more than anything I think Bassett

1048
00:44:12,910 --> 00:44:09,560
is a perfect he represents that the

1049
00:44:15,970 --> 00:44:12,920
populace of the kind of average UFO or

1050
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:15,980
out there the kind of non-research I

1051
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:18,290
don't think he would he even says you

1052
00:44:22,450 --> 00:44:20,570
know he's not a researcher he's the guy

1053
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:22,460
who's just out there who believes this

1054
00:44:26,530 --> 00:44:24,170
or believes that rather than looking for

1055
00:44:28,780 --> 00:44:26,540
proof and evidence and I agree with you

1056
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:28,790
with he's betting these speakers on

1057
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:32,450
popular opinion or his own gut instinct

1058
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:34,910
whether or not there is evidence as far

1059
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:36,770
as what these people are saying that's

1060
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:40,130
why he in particular is treated very

1061
00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:43,490
poorly by the press when people make fun

1062
00:44:48,490 --> 00:44:45,860
of Steven Bassett the press makes fun of

1063
00:44:50,350 --> 00:44:48,500
him all of the time and it's not because

1064
00:44:52,270 --> 00:44:50,360
they're making fun of this field

1065
00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:52,280
it's because they're making fun of the

1066
00:44:57,310 --> 00:44:54,440
information that Bassett is presenting

1067
00:45:00,220 --> 00:44:57,320
because he's presenting poor silly stuff

1068
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:00,230
that is not vetted that is not what

1069
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:02,290
they're looking for as far as evidence

1070
00:45:08,980 --> 00:45:05,810
90% of the coverage that we get is

1071
00:45:10,750 --> 00:45:08,990
positive not that we have people who are

1072
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:10,760
fully vetted either at our conference

1073
00:45:15,850 --> 00:45:13,760
however we call it what it is you know

1074
00:45:18,070 --> 00:45:15,860
we don't tell people this is evidence

1075
00:45:19,870 --> 00:45:18,080
that something is happening we just say

1076
00:45:21,250 --> 00:45:19,880
you know there's a lot of beliefs in

1077
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:21,260
this field here's what these people

1078
00:45:24,730 --> 00:45:23,210
believe or that people believe or if we

1079
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,740
have a scientist we will talk about

1080
00:45:28,940 --> 00:45:26,160
here's at some hard

1081
00:45:30,740 --> 00:45:28,950
answer here's some evidence or witness

1082
00:45:33,049 --> 00:45:30,750
testimony calling it what it is is

1083
00:45:34,730 --> 00:45:33,059
instead of calling it proof because

1084
00:45:37,849 --> 00:45:34,740
honestly we have no proof of

1085
00:45:39,260 --> 00:45:37,859
extraterrestrial visitation period zero

1086
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:39,270
none

1087
00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:42,170
we have evidence and mostly anecdotal

1088
00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:45,960
which is interesting but it's not

1089
00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:48,660
conclusive so when you call something

1090
00:45:52,279 --> 00:45:50,220
proof and it's not you know you're gonna

1091
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:52,289
get made fun of I move on for example

1092
00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:56,010
when they frame things correctly also

1093
00:46:00,410 --> 00:45:58,260
and even when they don't honestly most

1094
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:00,420
of the depressed MUFON gets is very

1095
00:46:05,660 --> 00:46:02,730
positive they they're taken very

1096
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:05,670
seriously so it's all in what and how

1097
00:46:11,089 --> 00:46:07,530
you present like you've talked about and

1098
00:46:12,980 --> 00:46:11,099
so I hope people understand that when

1099
00:46:15,049 --> 00:46:12,990
bassett is getting made fun of by the

1100
00:46:18,410 --> 00:46:15,059
mainstream he's really brought it upon

1101
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,420
himself and if he took the advice of

1102
00:46:23,890 --> 00:46:21,119
some of us you know researchers or some

1103
00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:23,900
or some other media people in this field

1104
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:27,720
and framed hit what he was saying better

1105
00:46:31,849 --> 00:46:29,700
try moving away from kind of these

1106
00:46:34,059 --> 00:46:31,859
catchphrases like truth embargo and and

1107
00:46:36,349 --> 00:46:34,069
stuff like this stuff that is unprovable

1108
00:46:38,510 --> 00:46:36,359
extraterrestrial visitation it would

1109
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:38,520
play better for him in the mainstream he

1110
00:46:42,019 --> 00:46:40,770
would be treated better but I don't know

1111
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:42,029
that that's necessarily what he's

1112
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:43,680
looking for because using what these

1113
00:46:48,109 --> 00:46:46,170
terms that he does use gets him a larger

1114
00:46:50,329 --> 00:46:48,119
audience and then he's kind of a

1115
00:46:53,779 --> 00:46:50,339
spokesman and he's that he's a voice to

1116
00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:53,789
kind of that regular Joe out there who

1117
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:55,619
believes aliens are here and believes

1118
00:47:00,620 --> 00:46:57,720
all of these things are real so he is

1119
00:47:03,260 --> 00:47:00,630
who he is and he's his popularity is

1120
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:03,270
it's so high amongst people in this

1121
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:06,569
arena because he is who he is and he

1122
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:08,730
does things out lame and by the way if

1123
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:12,000
you want to rag on Jaime mousse son he's

1124
00:47:17,809 --> 00:47:15,180
gonna be in Arizona at the International

1125
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:17,819
UFO conference this year so we can all

1126
00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:21,410
go after him Chris and I I'm joking you

1127
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:24,390
know I like Jaime I think he's a really

1128
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:24,930
nice guy

1129
00:47:29,690 --> 00:47:26,970
I think he's well-intentioned I think

1130
00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:29,700
he's naive as hell if it looks good -

1131
00:47:33,980 --> 00:47:31,859
Jaime boy he'll run with it mmm

1132
00:47:36,610 --> 00:47:33,990
I spoke at a conference in November I

1133
00:47:38,410 --> 00:47:36,620
mentioned this prior on the show that

1134
00:47:39,970 --> 00:47:38,420
i sat through his presentation and he

1135
00:47:42,220 --> 00:47:39,980
just clip after clip after clip

1136
00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:42,230
photograph after photograph video after

1137
00:47:47,860 --> 00:47:44,510
video and I'll tell you sprinkled in

1138
00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:47,870
amongst obvious misidentified natural

1139
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:50,630
phenomena obvious CGI hoaxes but

1140
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:53,330
sprinkled in were some really really

1141
00:48:01,240 --> 00:47:57,680
good quality what I feel are true foes

1142
00:48:03,460 --> 00:48:01,250
will anomalous aerial object footage but

1143
00:48:05,740 --> 00:48:03,470
it was all given the same amount of

1144
00:48:08,050 --> 00:48:05,750
gravitas though you know it's it's like

1145
00:48:10,270 --> 00:48:08,060
the twins who shall not be named you

1146
00:48:12,820 --> 00:48:10,280
know occasionally from what I understand

1147
00:48:14,830 --> 00:48:12,830
there are there is good footage you know

1148
00:48:18,310 --> 00:48:14,840
maybe a small single-digit percentage

1149
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,320
but but it just is totally overshadowed

1150
00:48:24,010 --> 00:48:20,720
and it's totally lost in the in the

1151
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:24,020
noise the signal has a very poor chance

1152
00:48:29,410 --> 00:48:27,440
of of shining and you know being louder

1153
00:48:31,930 --> 00:48:29,420
and stronger and more and more obvious

1154
00:48:33,790 --> 00:48:31,940
when it's surrounded by so much you know

1155
00:48:35,260 --> 00:48:33,800
and in some of these hoaxes were getting

1156
00:48:37,870 --> 00:48:35,270
pretty sophisticated know they're

1157
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:37,880
getting pretty good at it yet fully in

1158
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:40,160
the the average person who's doesn't

1159
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:41,450
have the training to really

1160
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:44,330
differentiate between reality and and

1161
00:48:53,710 --> 00:48:50,800
fantasy but honey is a nice guy but man

1162
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:53,720
he's gotta go to beautiful logical

1163
00:48:57,970 --> 00:48:55,730
school or something or give that guy's

1164
00:49:00,370 --> 00:48:57,980
analytical training on how to how to

1165
00:49:03,340 --> 00:49:00,380
really determine whether footage or

1166
00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:03,350
photographs or real or not I some of

1167
00:49:10,030 --> 00:49:06,710
this stuff was laughably bad didn't care

1168
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:10,040
I feel exactly like you do and I always

1169
00:49:13,740 --> 00:49:11,810
have watching his presentations that

1170
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:13,750
yeah it's like misidentification

1171
00:49:17,830 --> 00:49:16,310
misidentification hoax misidentification

1172
00:49:20,170 --> 00:49:17,840
ooh that's interesting

1173
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:20,180
miss antenna vacation you know and

1174
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:22,010
that's kind of the whole how his talks

1175
00:49:26,860 --> 00:49:24,770
go but you know what more and more the

1176
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:26,870
people at the conference are feel the

1177
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:29,330
same way so more and more I'm hearing

1178
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:31,490
people come out of his talk and say wow

1179
00:49:34,570 --> 00:49:32,930
there's some really cool stuff there

1180
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:34,580
there was a lot of stuff that are hoaxes

1181
00:49:38,980 --> 00:49:36,890
or that are balloons but there's some

1182
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,990
cool stuff there so it's good to hear

1183
00:49:41,530 --> 00:49:40,640
that I think a lot of people are

1184
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:41,540
becoming a little more sophisticated

1185
00:49:46,330 --> 00:49:44,090
towards that no and I like to think that

1186
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:46,340
you know groups people like us getting

1187
00:49:50,380 --> 00:49:48,410
out there and trying to find out what

1188
00:49:53,410 --> 00:49:50,390
things are informing people and I

1189
00:49:55,150 --> 00:49:53,420
no Jaime follows our site because he'll

1190
00:49:57,759 --> 00:49:55,160
send us emails when he gets disappointed

1191
00:49:59,529 --> 00:49:57,769
about us debunking something or writing

1192
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:59,539
about something that has been debunked

1193
00:50:04,690 --> 00:50:02,000
that he thinks it's interesting but like

1194
00:50:07,210 --> 00:50:04,700
a lot of the cocoa capital you know

1195
00:50:11,019 --> 00:50:07,220
volcano sightings which are often birds

1196
00:50:13,809 --> 00:50:11,029
that they think are UFOs or other things

1197
00:50:16,509 --> 00:50:13,819
so he knows that there are explanations

1198
00:50:18,490 --> 00:50:16,519
for a lot of these things but I guess he

1199
00:50:21,009 --> 00:50:18,500
just disregards them and of course I

1200
00:50:22,990 --> 00:50:21,019
feel as a journalist you know you need

1201
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:23,000
to present if someone has come out and

1202
00:50:27,970 --> 00:50:25,609
said I think that this is this you need

1203
00:50:31,029 --> 00:50:27,980
to tell people that even if disagree

1204
00:50:32,740 --> 00:50:31,039
it's part of the story so it's like

1205
00:50:35,769 --> 00:50:32,750
temple rock is one big one he's been

1206
00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:35,779
running with I mean very few people know

1207
00:50:41,650 --> 00:50:38,329
because I was suspicious of the videos

1208
00:50:44,259 --> 00:50:41,660
but Israeli news you need to did a great

1209
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:44,269
job researching this and essentially

1210
00:50:51,549 --> 00:50:48,410
pinned down and was able to discover it

1211
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:51,559
was all a hoax you know we will produce

1212
00:50:54,490 --> 00:50:52,250
hoaxes

1213
00:50:57,579 --> 00:50:54,500
yeah I mean these guys were movie

1214
00:51:00,400 --> 00:50:57,589
producers one of them was a teacher a

1215
00:51:02,109 --> 00:51:00,410
film teacher another was his friend who

1216
00:51:05,259 --> 00:51:02,119
is a his partner who is a film producer

1217
00:51:08,049 --> 00:51:05,269
and the others were his students in his

1218
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:08,059
film class these were stupid people he

1219
00:51:12,249 --> 00:51:10,160
said he didn't know who they were but it

1220
00:51:13,930 --> 00:51:12,259
turned out he was lying and it wasn't

1221
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:13,940
very hard for their Cirelli to news to

1222
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:16,130
find out well these were students in his

1223
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:19,250
film class so he had to admit Alejandro

1224
00:51:26,259 --> 00:51:22,930
Rojas continues we're looking over now

1225
00:51:28,299 --> 00:51:26,269
interesting events and UFO research or

1226
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:28,309
not so interesting more to come with

1227
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1252
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1285
00:54:03,920 --> 00:53:59,590
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1286
00:54:11,310 --> 00:54:03,930
standard of paranormal radio and now

1287
00:54:15,830 --> 00:54:11,320
here's Jane Steinberg we spent the first

1288
00:54:17,940 --> 00:54:15,840
third of the show really Alejandro Rojas

1289
00:54:19,740 --> 00:54:17,950
talking about things that maybe we don't

1290
00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:19,750
like seeing in the UFO field the

1291
00:54:25,620 --> 00:54:23,710
sideshow aspect presenting events or

1292
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:25,630
discussions for entertainment purposes

1293
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:27,280
that may sometimes work at loggerheads

1294
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:30,000
too serious research but looking over

1295
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:33,730
2014 were there any significant events

1296
00:54:38,310 --> 00:54:36,490
and/or sightings that we really need to

1297
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:38,320
focus on you said for example you didn't

1298
00:54:41,610 --> 00:54:39,970
think there was a lot there and you

1299
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:41,620
started looking and you found something

1300
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:44,890
to look and discuss about mm-hmm yeah

1301
00:54:50,940 --> 00:54:46,690
first of all thanks for welcoming back

1302
00:54:52,830 --> 00:54:50,950
to the paradise did that sound good all

1303
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:52,840
right we have to hire you we have a

1304
00:54:57,660 --> 00:54:55,210
recording we're going to have with Bryce

1305
00:55:00,840 --> 00:54:57,670
Abel and a few other people doing the

1306
00:55:05,370 --> 00:55:00,850
power cast the shadow like laughter from

1307
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:05,380
Nick Redfern and now Rojas joins us I do

1308
00:55:11,610 --> 00:55:08,530
a good evil laugh too I think I wrote a

1309
00:55:14,130 --> 00:55:11,620
story called top 10 UFO videos of 2014

1310
00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:14,140
and I do think these are all really

1311
00:55:21,090 --> 00:55:17,590
interesting videos one of them for

1312
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:21,100
instance is the video itself is it's

1313
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:23,110
kind of strange but it's short it's one

1314
00:55:29,310 --> 00:55:26,650
from Pennsylvania but I like it because

1315
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:29,320
the police went out to investigate what

1316
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:31,090
these people were saying and they said

1317
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:32,710
we don't know that looks like UFO they

1318
00:55:36,690 --> 00:55:34,090
watched it they didn't know what it was

1319
00:55:37,050 --> 00:55:36,700
and then when the News contacted the

1320
00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:37,060
police

1321
00:55:43,470 --> 00:55:41,140
they sent a representative press guy to

1322
00:55:45,210 --> 00:55:43,480
come and talk to the news and he said

1323
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:45,220
yeah our guys went out there they didn't

1324
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:47,050
know what it was so yeah our guy saw

1325
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:49,810
some UFOs it was really cool that these

1326
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:53,920
policemen were not afraid to say hey

1327
00:55:58,680 --> 00:55:56,050
yeah they're you know these were UFOs we

1328
00:56:00,750 --> 00:55:58,690
didn't know what they were so that kind

1329
00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:00,760
of the story around that this was in

1330
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:02,830
Paxton Township is one that makes

1331
00:56:07,620 --> 00:56:05,490
cool story but there are a couple videos

1332
00:56:09,060 --> 00:56:07,630
probably two of them that I think are

1333
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:09,070
cool and I think this is where some of

1334
00:56:14,070 --> 00:56:11,200
the fruit some of the best stuff is

1335
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:14,080
gonna continue to come from and that's

1336
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:16,690
from night vision video as more and more

1337
00:56:21,470 --> 00:56:20,050
people get night vision equipment and do

1338
00:56:24,570 --> 00:56:21,480
some sky watching of course it's very

1339
00:56:26,340 --> 00:56:24,580
expensive so it's difficult to get your

1340
00:56:27,810 --> 00:56:26,350
hands on but more and more people are

1341
00:56:33,660 --> 00:56:27,820
using it and getting some interesting

1342
00:56:37,590 --> 00:56:33,670
things in 2014 one in May of 2014 and

1343
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:37,600
another one in November in Michigan or

1344
00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:39,760
no that wasn't November that was yeah

1345
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:42,060
November in Michigan people caught

1346
00:56:48,030 --> 00:56:45,610
triangular-shaped lights with their

1347
00:56:50,610 --> 00:56:48,040
night vision one of these was caught by

1348
00:56:52,350 --> 00:56:50,620
a guy who is a career military guy

1349
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:52,360
actually now he's out of the military

1350
00:56:59,300 --> 00:56:54,640
but he's a contractor for the military

1351
00:57:01,770 --> 00:56:59,310
he teaches combat essentially fighting

1352
00:57:03,150 --> 00:57:01,780
but he also has had a lot of different

1353
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:03,160
things that he's done over the years and

1354
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:05,440
he has a night vision and he goes out

1355
00:57:10,980 --> 00:57:06,730
UFO hunting with his night vision

1356
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:10,990
occasionally and he caught this

1357
00:57:16,890 --> 00:57:13,930
triangular shaped object with his night

1358
00:57:19,740 --> 00:57:16,900
vision this is one where I disagree with

1359
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:19,750
Marc Dantonio III you know you know him

1360
00:57:25,710 --> 00:57:22,960
well he's the MUFON chief photo analyst

1361
00:57:29,010 --> 00:57:25,720
and he's got it background in science

1362
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:29,020
and optics and and he's a cool guy and

1363
00:57:33,180 --> 00:57:31,210
he actually even though he believes in

1364
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:33,190
UFOs me believes he may even have had

1365
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:36,010
experiences he has not seen a video or

1366
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:39,130
photo that he felt was convincing yet so

1367
00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:41,410
I like to run things by him this was the

1368
00:57:46,110 --> 00:57:42,910
same he thought this was possibly a

1369
00:57:49,650 --> 00:57:46,120
refueling these lights could not be seen

1370
00:57:52,290 --> 00:57:49,660
with the naked eye however military jets

1371
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:52,300
do have a covert mode where their lights

1372
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:55,330
can only be seen in night vision however

1373
00:58:02,000 --> 00:57:58,720
this was over a populated area and Marc

1374
00:58:04,170 --> 00:58:02,010
thinks they were in covert mode doing a

1375
00:58:05,820 --> 00:58:04,180
refueling mission so you have a large

1376
00:58:07,940 --> 00:58:05,830
plane and like a stealth or something

1377
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:07,950
coming and refueling in the sky

1378
00:58:13,230 --> 00:58:11,290
that a lot of experts and military

1379
00:58:15,150 --> 00:58:13,240
people have said would not happen over a

1380
00:58:16,450 --> 00:58:15,160
populated area there's no way no

1381
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:16,460
refueling at all

1382
00:58:21,339 --> 00:58:18,530
happen over a populated area let alone

1383
00:58:22,990 --> 00:58:21,349
in covert mode and I don't think that's

1384
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:23,000
what the video shows you know mark

1385
00:58:28,930 --> 00:58:25,010
produced some pictures and I found my my

1386
00:58:31,930 --> 00:58:28,940
own of these sort of activities and I

1387
00:58:34,660 --> 00:58:31,940
don't think they look similar so Ben

1388
00:58:36,339 --> 00:58:34,670
Hansen is another guy who has ran this

1389
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:36,349
across some other people and looked at

1390
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,000
it himself he owns a night vision

1391
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:40,640
company he disagrees with mark as well I

1392
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:43,040
think that's a really cool video the

1393
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:45,770
other one the one from Michigan

1394
00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:48,310
this guy filmed these triangular-shaped

1395
00:58:52,210 --> 00:58:50,390
cruising across the sky with his night

1396
00:58:54,339 --> 00:58:52,220
vision it's really cool I think it's

1397
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:54,349
interesting and very strange cool video

1398
00:58:59,530 --> 00:58:56,960
there's other stuff in the video that he

1399
00:59:02,740 --> 00:58:59,540
thinks is UFOs I don't agree at all I

1400
00:59:05,470 --> 00:59:02,750
think it's bugs and other things but the

1401
00:59:08,530 --> 00:59:05,480
triangular-shaped one in there is really

1402
00:59:11,470 --> 00:59:08,540
strange pretty cool so those were a

1403
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:11,480
couple of cool ones otherwise one of my

1404
00:59:16,810 --> 00:59:15,290
other favorites is from the Netherlands

1405
00:59:20,410 --> 00:59:16,820
and I don't know if you guys are aware

1406
00:59:23,710 --> 00:59:20,420
this one the blue UFO and this is a guy

1407
00:59:26,410 --> 00:59:23,720
who is near The Hague he's a few miles

1408
00:59:28,930 --> 00:59:26,420
south on the Rhine River and he was

1409
00:59:32,530 --> 00:59:28,940
filming some boats at the dock and he

1410
00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:32,540
noticed his blue UFO shaped object kind

1411
00:59:38,589 --> 00:59:34,609
of like the old 50's photos or something

1412
00:59:41,650 --> 00:59:38,599
hovering over the dock he zoomed in on

1413
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:41,660
it he had a fairly decent camera and you

1414
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,330
could get this just weird think that was

1415
00:59:49,420 --> 00:59:46,400
hovering over the dock a great video I

1416
00:59:52,180 --> 00:59:49,430
think and the news covered it so there's

1417
00:59:55,060 --> 00:59:52,190
this a Netherlands news story on it and

1418
00:59:57,460 --> 00:59:55,070
they're baffled as well but that's

1419
01:00:00,910 --> 00:59:57,470
another one of my favorites from 2014 I

1420
01:00:02,620 --> 01:00:00,920
do I'm familiar with the Netherlands

1421
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:02,630
footage and I agree that that is very

1422
01:00:07,690 --> 01:00:05,930
evocative good stuff there's the word

1423
01:00:12,490 --> 01:00:07,700
number I think of sightings that were

1424
01:00:13,450 --> 01:00:12,500
captured this year that there let's put

1425
01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:13,460
it this way there are much more

1426
01:00:20,050 --> 01:00:17,510
difficult to to just offhandedly dismiss

1427
01:00:26,620 --> 01:00:20,060
and even come up with explanations to

1428
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:26,630
explain them so one thing that I I can

1429
01:00:34,450 --> 01:00:30,050
agree with is Mark Dantonio he is

1430
01:00:38,110 --> 01:00:34,460
a very hard sell signing off on footage

1431
01:00:39,790 --> 01:00:38,120
although he made noises like he'd be

1432
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:39,800
interested to see the real thing which

1433
01:00:44,830 --> 01:00:42,770
anybody who's in the field that ever

1434
01:00:47,650 --> 01:00:44,840
makes it to the DC area should visit Rey

1435
01:00:51,330 --> 01:00:47,660
Stanford because I'll guarantee if you

1436
01:00:53,950 --> 01:00:51,340
have any sort of background in optics

1437
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:53,960
his stuff is just it'll just put you

1438
01:00:59,890 --> 01:00:57,130
back in your chair it is so awesome and

1439
01:01:01,780 --> 01:00:59,900
you know he's really starting to get

1440
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:01,790
some attention out at Goddard Space

1441
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:05,210
Flight Center he's presented his

1442
01:01:10,270 --> 01:01:07,730
portions of his presentation to a number

1443
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:10,280
of scientists out there he's really

1444
01:01:15,250 --> 01:01:13,040
created a buzz there's a chance that he

1445
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:15,260
will be actually doing a full-scale

1446
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:19,040
presentation for their their

1447
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:21,170
presentation series out there and if

1448
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:23,330
that happens it's gonna be a

1449
01:01:27,220 --> 01:01:25,610
game-changer no no question because

1450
01:01:28,540 --> 01:01:27,230
these guys are rocket scientists and if

1451
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:28,550
they sign off on something people are

1452
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:31,280
gonna sit up and take notice and but

1453
01:01:36,270 --> 01:01:32,930
they already have privately a number of

1454
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:36,280
them I can't drop any names I do I'm

1455
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:39,920
aware of the identities of number of the

1456
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:40,970
people that have been there and seen

1457
01:01:46,330 --> 01:01:43,970
this and come back for repeated you know

1458
01:01:48,970 --> 01:01:46,340
more and more of the presentation it's

1459
01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:48,980
the total presentation is two days long

1460
01:01:56,500 --> 01:01:52,540
he has whittled it down into you know a

1461
01:02:00,430 --> 01:01:56,510
couple hour bytes by subject matter so

1462
01:02:02,770 --> 01:02:00,440
he is demonstrating some pretty

1463
01:02:06,010 --> 01:02:02,780
interesting I think he's he's

1464
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:06,020
replicating some of his hypotheses you

1465
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:08,210
can see the replication of the ghost

1466
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:10,640
imaging time compression type type

1467
01:02:16,780 --> 01:02:13,760
artifacts that are cropping up and not

1468
01:02:19,420 --> 01:02:16,790
only his material but other material

1469
01:02:22,750 --> 01:02:19,430
that he's analyzed as well from other

1470
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:22,760
sources so I think there is a chance

1471
01:02:26,740 --> 01:02:24,410
scientifically that we're going to see

1472
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:26,750
some breakthroughs not only with Ray's

1473
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:29,290
work but but possibly with other

1474
01:02:33,550 --> 01:02:31,760
research efforts and analytical efforts

1475
01:02:35,350 --> 01:02:33,560
that are going on out there and and this

1476
01:02:37,660 --> 01:02:35,360
is actually a pretty exciting time even

1477
01:02:39,820 --> 01:02:37,670
though we're getting lost as anti

1478
01:02:41,870 --> 01:02:39,830
Latonia Alejandro rather pointed out

1479
01:02:45,110 --> 01:02:41,880
we're getting lost in this religious

1480
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:45,120
ever end of this whole scenario and

1481
01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:49,250
that's that's really it's disheartening

1482
01:02:54,830 --> 01:02:52,110
and little disconcerting but but I think

1483
01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:54,840
that the hard science angle is really

1484
01:03:01,520 --> 01:02:58,410
going to bring people's heads back

1485
01:03:04,790 --> 01:03:01,530
around to to a proper place I think in

1486
01:03:08,180 --> 01:03:04,800
regards to this material and and I do

1487
01:03:09,650 --> 01:03:08,190
agree that night-vision equipment does

1488
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:09,660
open up a whole new world of

1489
01:03:14,270 --> 01:03:12,210
possibilities many of our listeners are

1490
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:14,280
probably aware of Edie grim grimly

1491
01:03:20,210 --> 01:03:18,090
Grimsley Grimsley ed Grimley wasn't he

1492
01:03:22,340 --> 01:03:20,220
the Martin Short prancing around with a

1493
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:22,350
hackle triangle on Saturday Night Live

1494
01:03:27,140 --> 01:03:25,710
but Edie Grimsley I've seen some of the

1495
01:03:29,090 --> 01:03:27,150
stuff that he's gotten with his night

1496
01:03:30,650 --> 01:03:29,100
vision and there is definitely some

1497
01:03:31,940 --> 01:03:30,660
interesting things flying around that

1498
01:03:34,430 --> 01:03:31,950
you normally cannot see with the unaided

1499
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:34,440
eye by the way we do not do the power

1500
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:37,290
cast with night-vision goggles as they

1501
01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:39,530
do in a lot of those reality shows my

1502
01:03:47,780 --> 01:03:41,910
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1503
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1562
01:06:33,740 --> 01:06:29,100
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over significant events for 2014 general

1605
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chatter about the UFO field with

1606
01:08:22,570 --> 01:08:20,870
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1607
01:08:25,570 --> 01:08:22,580
far into disclosure because I think

1608
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we're trying to be positive about the

1609
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positive developments in the field not

1610
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:30,170
the negative ones Chris we do have some

1611
01:08:36,190 --> 01:08:32,930
questions at our question bank at forum

1612
01:08:40,060 --> 01:08:36,200
dr. Peric ascom there's a number of them

1613
01:08:43,380 --> 01:08:40,070
and one story that kind of cropped up a

1614
01:08:45,550 --> 01:08:43,390
little bit in 2014 was the a profiles a

1615
01:08:48,340 --> 01:08:45,560
certain portion of them have been

1616
01:08:52,450 --> 01:08:48,350
released that I guess with duplicates of

1617
01:08:54,610 --> 01:08:52,460
the main cache of reports that are under

1618
01:08:56,710 --> 01:08:54,620
lock and key by this couple here in the

1619
01:08:58,480 --> 01:08:56,720
Sedona area who will not answer their

1620
01:09:02,020 --> 01:08:58,490
phone calls and will not entertain any

1621
01:09:04,570 --> 01:09:02,030
sort of overtures of gaining access to

1622
01:09:07,570 --> 01:09:04,580
the entire files but some of them have

1623
01:09:09,970 --> 01:09:07,580
been I think digitized and released and

1624
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:09,980
one of our questions comes from Wade

1625
01:09:13,900 --> 01:09:12,290
Ridsdale who's a longtime poster at

1626
01:09:15,579 --> 01:09:13,910
forum dr. Perik asked calm and he's

1627
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:15,589
wondering Alejandro if there's any

1628
01:09:20,349 --> 01:09:17,120
chance we'll be seen a new batch of

1629
01:09:23,530 --> 01:09:20,359
these a profiles released and uploaded

1630
01:09:26,349 --> 01:09:23,540
onto the net well we released this year

1631
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:26,359
a bunch of them so what we did we have

1632
01:09:31,810 --> 01:09:28,250
the wendell stevens collection and

1633
01:09:35,010 --> 01:09:31,820
wendell stevens was part of a pro and he

1634
01:09:39,060 --> 01:09:35,020
had some hard copies of the a pro

1635
01:09:42,579 --> 01:09:39,070
bulletins essentially like 1955 -

1636
01:09:45,849 --> 01:09:42,589
somewhere in the 1960s so we

1637
01:09:49,079 --> 01:09:45,859
painstakingly digitized those and got

1638
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:49,089
those online a couple years ago and

1639
01:09:55,210 --> 01:09:53,120
since we have been in contact with

1640
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:55,220
richard hayden he was one of the editors

1641
01:10:00,400 --> 01:09:58,010
of the APRA bulletin and he helped us

1642
01:10:03,460 --> 01:10:00,410
get the remainder so now we have pretty

1643
01:10:04,420 --> 01:10:03,470
much every a pro bulletin online so I

1644
01:10:07,450 --> 01:10:04,430
just guys

1645
01:10:10,090 --> 01:10:07,460
Richard hate and he had from 1975 and

1646
01:10:12,370 --> 01:10:10,100
later he helped us get those digitized

1647
01:10:15,070 --> 01:10:12,380
there PDFs that are searchable and

1648
01:10:15,950 --> 01:10:15,080
there's a letter from him on there kind

1649
01:10:18,890 --> 01:10:15,960
of giving a

1650
01:10:21,260 --> 01:10:18,900
background of the a profiles as well so

1651
01:10:23,150 --> 01:10:21,270
yeah we just got those files online so

1652
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:23,160
essentially now finally all of the

1653
01:10:28,490 --> 01:10:26,610
bulletins are online as for the files

1654
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:28,500
themselves yeah like you've talked about

1655
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:30,210
because it would be really interesting I

1656
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:32,850
know Travis Walton because a pro kind of

1657
01:10:37,700 --> 01:10:35,250
was famous for covering the Travis

1658
01:10:40,010 --> 01:10:37,710
Walton place and it caused a lot of

1659
01:10:41,930 --> 01:10:40,020
controversy because there were some

1660
01:10:45,620 --> 01:10:41,940
groups who weren't willing to touch it

1661
01:10:48,410 --> 01:10:45,630
but he has some files from them that

1662
01:10:50,330 --> 01:10:48,420
aren't in all of the records but those

1663
01:10:53,390 --> 01:10:50,340
aren't the only files I know of out

1664
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:53,400
there because like you said this couple

1665
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:56,400
who have been in trouble with the law I

1666
01:11:00,320 --> 01:10:58,170
can't remember their names right now but

1667
01:11:02,060 --> 01:11:00,330
if you google their names you'll see you

1668
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:02,070
know they've been running scams all over

1669
01:11:05,810 --> 01:11:04,560
the place and I think of even I don't

1670
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,820
know if they've been in prison but

1671
01:11:11,140 --> 01:11:07,440
they've been running from the police

1672
01:11:14,990 --> 01:11:11,150
several times so they had these things

1673
01:11:17,780 --> 01:11:15,000
and Tina choked you want to do a search

1674
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:17,790
they have the files they were trying to

1675
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:19,650
sell them for tens of thousands of

1676
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:20,130
dollars

1677
01:11:27,229 --> 01:11:24,719
no one was biting and that question now

1678
01:11:29,900 --> 01:11:27,239
is one of their warehouses was raided

1679
01:11:32,780 --> 01:11:29,910
and everything compensated by the police

1680
01:11:34,940 --> 01:11:32,790
and some people feel that the files were

1681
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:34,950
part of that and so a lot of people are

1682
01:11:40,220 --> 01:11:36,890
suspicious if they even have the files

1683
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:40,230
anymore or not and they have not been

1684
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:43,170
coming out and asking people you know

1685
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:45,810
looking to sell them in the last few

1686
01:11:50,660 --> 01:11:48,090
years like you said no one can get ahold

1687
01:11:52,610 --> 01:11:50,670
of them so it's a sad state nobody knows

1688
01:11:55,670 --> 01:11:52,620
what happened to all of their files

1689
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:55,680
I actually did a gratis what I thought

1690
01:12:00,580 --> 01:11:57,840
was going to be a quid pro quo effort

1691
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:00,590
for them i videotaped some Albuquerque

1692
01:12:05,150 --> 01:12:02,690
Department of Environmental Quality

1693
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:05,160
meetings pertaining to a development

1694
01:12:08,420 --> 01:12:06,570
that was supposed to go in a subdivision

1695
01:12:10,670 --> 01:12:08,430
that was supposed to go in all along the

1696
01:12:12,890 --> 01:12:10,680
quote Creek here in the Sedona area and

1697
01:12:15,050 --> 01:12:12,900
so I I told them I will I will videotape

1698
01:12:18,020 --> 01:12:15,060
and do all this work for you if you

1699
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:18,030
allow me access to the files for three

1700
01:12:22,130 --> 01:12:20,850
cases hmm and they agree and they said

1701
01:12:25,459 --> 01:12:22,140
that they would do it I did all the work

1702
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:25,469
they totally backed out now they they

1703
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:29,280
owe me yeah it doesn't look like their

1704
01:12:31,459 --> 01:12:29,760
app

1705
01:12:34,910 --> 01:12:31,469
to want to make good on that and if

1706
01:12:37,299 --> 01:12:34,920
they've been accused or engaging in

1707
01:12:40,609 --> 01:12:37,309
different schemes why can you trust

1708
01:12:43,310 --> 01:12:40,619
anything at all that they say this was

1709
01:12:44,930 --> 01:12:43,320
before all that all this illegal legal

1710
01:12:47,810 --> 01:12:44,940
stuff has been in the last four or five

1711
01:12:50,089 --> 01:12:47,820
years my actual involvement with them

1712
01:12:52,339 --> 01:12:50,099
was back eight or nine years ago but I

1713
01:12:54,759 --> 01:12:52,349
was attempting to get Ted Phillips some

1714
01:12:59,080 --> 01:12:54,769
very important information on the

1715
01:13:01,970 --> 01:12:59,090
Czechoslovakian Mountain the supposed

1716
01:13:03,819 --> 01:13:01,980
millions year old object that's

1717
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:03,829
supposedly buried in the mountains there

1718
01:13:10,939 --> 01:13:08,489
Rey Stanford had a case or two that he

1719
01:13:14,209 --> 01:13:10,949
wanted to gain access to the files that

1720
01:13:16,850 --> 01:13:14,219
he knew were in the a profiles and in

1721
01:13:19,729 --> 01:13:16,860
somebody else I it kind of escapes me

1722
01:13:21,620 --> 01:13:19,739
right now but but they said sure we'll

1723
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:21,630
go ahead and do this if you help us out

1724
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:23,010
and of course I spent a couple of months

1725
01:13:29,209 --> 01:13:26,730
helping them out on my own dime and come

1726
01:13:30,859 --> 01:13:29,219
to find out that you know they're all of

1727
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:30,869
a sudden they they moved and stopped

1728
01:13:35,529 --> 01:13:33,360
answering their phone and it's and then

1729
01:13:37,399 --> 01:13:35,539
the rest is a tawdry affair of

1730
01:13:38,990 --> 01:13:37,409
appropriating a million dollar gem and

1731
01:13:41,209 --> 01:13:39,000
mineral collection and I could go into

1732
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:41,219
details but these people are I don't

1733
01:13:46,879 --> 01:13:43,650
know how they managed different angle

1734
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:46,889
the files in the first place just before

1735
01:13:51,410 --> 01:13:49,260
Hynek died when I think it was they were

1736
01:13:53,359 --> 01:13:51,420
they were supposed to make those open to

1737
01:13:55,129 --> 01:13:53,369
the public right but they took them and

1738
01:13:57,709 --> 01:13:55,139
ran with them and tried to sell them so

1739
01:13:59,540 --> 01:13:57,719
they obviously are not scrupulous people

1740
01:14:01,790 --> 01:13:59,550
they they do not they don't hold to any

1741
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:01,800
of their promises no they don't so

1742
01:14:06,740 --> 01:14:03,570
basically what they're doing here is

1743
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:06,750
they are trying to find a way possibly

1744
01:14:10,609 --> 01:14:09,090
to monetize this collection of that does

1745
01:14:13,339 --> 01:14:10,619
not happen or they're so busy and

1746
01:14:15,620 --> 01:14:13,349
involved in their legal hang-ups it

1747
01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:15,630
doesn't happen let's move away from that

1748
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:17,880
because that gets to be disheartening

1749
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:20,880
information is there anything we can be

1750
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:23,489
optimistic about as a result of what

1751
01:14:28,270 --> 01:14:26,730
yeah let me look at this last year there

1752
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:28,280
are a couple stories that are

1753
01:14:35,359 --> 01:14:31,199
disheartening that one's a negative one

1754
01:14:36,740 --> 01:14:35,369
that one's a negative so unfortunately

1755
01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:36,750
you know there's let's see what's

1756
01:14:39,930 --> 01:14:38,369
oh I think this is kind of interesting

1757
01:14:44,490 --> 01:14:39,940
this

1758
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:44,500
I in kalmykia which is a Russian part of

1759
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:46,719
the Russian Federation it's a state that

1760
01:14:51,150 --> 01:14:48,850
is kind of near the Middle East but also

1761
01:14:54,270 --> 01:14:51,160
near a you know and near Turkey kind of

1762
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:54,280
near Eastern Europe and it's actually a

1763
01:15:00,050 --> 01:14:56,770
Buddhist country which is really strange

1764
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:00,060
the president there Kirsan Ilyumzhinov

1765
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:04,000
is also head of the International Chess

1766
01:15:08,729 --> 01:15:06,489
Federation and what's interesting is

1767
01:15:11,670 --> 01:15:08,739
this guy says he's been abducted by

1768
01:15:14,580 --> 01:15:11,680
aliens he's a multimillionaire he's

1769
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:14,590
friends with Putin he was president of

1770
01:15:19,229 --> 01:15:16,239
this country for a small period of time

1771
01:15:22,650 --> 01:15:19,239
he was the elected president but now

1772
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:22,660
Putin he is a guy who chooses the

1773
01:15:26,729 --> 01:15:24,489
presidents of all the states they don't

1774
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:26,739
get to elect them but Putin kept him in

1775
01:15:30,420 --> 01:15:28,480
power for a long period of time and and

1776
01:15:31,979 --> 01:15:30,430
he just left just a couple years ago but

1777
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:31,989
they're still friends but the

1778
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:33,850
interesting story is is he popped up in

1779
01:15:41,790 --> 01:15:37,360
the news again because Putin helped him

1780
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:41,800
to do some promotion to win his

1781
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:44,530
essentially a stint as the president of

1782
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:47,050
the Chess Federation was up and he had

1783
01:15:52,110 --> 01:15:49,690
to get reelected and he went up against

1784
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:52,120
the chest this Russian guy he's well

1785
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:53,770
known he said like the most real known

1786
01:15:58,380 --> 01:15:56,080
chess player and of course it came by

1787
01:15:59,939 --> 01:15:58,390
love yeah I think that's him and it came

1788
01:16:02,130 --> 01:15:59,949
up you know oh this guy believes in

1789
01:16:04,380 --> 01:16:02,140
aliens he believes he has abducted so

1790
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:04,390
the story came up some more but because

1791
01:16:10,890 --> 01:16:07,210
with Putin's help he was able to win the

1792
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:10,900
presidency of the Chess Federation again

1793
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:13,570
but it's a really interesting story I

1794
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:15,250
mean the guy seems like a really nice

1795
01:16:19,260 --> 01:16:17,770
guy we've written several stories on him

1796
01:16:22,709 --> 01:16:19,270
there's videos of him talking about

1797
01:16:28,890 --> 01:16:22,719
being abducted by aliens but at least

1798
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that's positive I think right ok with

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[Music]

1905
01:21:00,520 --> 01:20:58,510
- or make screenwriter producer you're

1906
01:21:07,209 --> 01:21:00,530
listening to the podcast the gold

1907
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:07,219
standard of paranormal radio positive

1908
01:21:12,970 --> 01:21:09,610
okay that's a good way of putting it

1909
01:21:15,540 --> 01:21:12,980
never looked at alien abduction as a as

1910
01:21:19,839 --> 01:21:15,550
a positive thing but but I guess some

1911
01:21:23,049 --> 01:21:19,849
peas these were nice aliens

1912
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:23,059
yeah he said that they just wanted to to

1913
01:21:27,580 --> 01:21:25,250
let us know that they were here and that

1914
01:21:29,049 --> 01:21:27,590
they were they like this and he said he

1915
01:21:32,319 --> 01:21:29,059
flew around with them and that he went

1916
01:21:33,939 --> 01:21:32,329
to go pick up some parts UFO parts or

1917
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:33,949
something and then he said hey guys I

1918
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:36,530
have a meeting at the UN in a couple

1919
01:21:42,189 --> 01:21:38,090
days they're like okay no problem and

1920
01:21:44,379 --> 01:21:42,199
they took him home so accommodating

1921
01:21:47,140 --> 01:21:44,389
their charge you need to take him vein

1922
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:47,150
charge him for for fuel or dilithium

1923
01:21:52,299 --> 01:21:50,449
Christian or anything they just wanted

1924
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:52,309
him to know they were there and that

1925
01:21:59,140 --> 01:21:55,130
there were nice guys essentially so do

1926
01:22:02,439 --> 01:21:59,150
nice aliens finish last and the TV well

1927
01:22:04,660 --> 01:22:02,449
I don't know stand the sci-fi shows I

1928
01:22:08,500 --> 01:22:04,670
guess they usually win in the end well

1929
01:22:11,410 --> 01:22:08,510
Alejandro you mentioned Turkey and Sky

1930
01:22:14,799 --> 01:22:11,420
Mon eight seven six who used to be known

1931
01:22:18,939 --> 01:22:14,809
as rig hua is a turkey fanatic when it

1932
01:22:20,770 --> 01:22:18,949
comes to the shoreline footage yeah that

1933
01:22:23,709 --> 01:22:20,780
gained quite a bit of notoriety five or

1934
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:23,719
six years ago you guys of course have

1935
01:22:28,060 --> 01:22:26,239
covered the turkey turkey cases in the

1936
01:22:30,399 --> 01:22:28,070
open man's now-defunct open minds

1937
01:22:31,689 --> 01:22:30,409
magazine but what are your thoughts on

1938
01:22:34,359 --> 01:22:31,699
the case he wants to know if you found

1939
01:22:37,689 --> 01:22:34,369
out anything more have there been any

1940
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:37,699
developments from these guys down there

1941
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:40,880
of course Roger Leir described when he

1942
01:22:45,879 --> 01:22:44,570
was on the show back he described being

1943
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:45,889
there when they took some of the famous

1944
01:22:51,250 --> 01:22:49,610
footage and there happened on my end you

1945
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:51,260
know what guys it's as positive as we're

1946
01:22:55,450 --> 01:22:52,610
gonna get we're just gonna have to get

1947
01:22:58,209 --> 01:22:55,460
into to the reality if reality's not

1948
01:23:00,549 --> 01:22:58,219
positive we need to know what it is so

1949
01:23:01,410 --> 01:23:00,559
sorry there positive part of the show's

1950
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:01,420
over

1951
01:23:10,020 --> 01:23:04,239
guys but is to turn off the radio turn

1952
01:23:11,370 --> 01:23:10,030
off informative and enlightening because

1953
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:11,380
you have to have the truth you have to

1954
01:23:16,140 --> 01:23:13,810
have know the negative to bring some

1955
01:23:19,820 --> 01:23:16,150
positive but anyway I'm informative he's

1956
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:19,830
enlightening but we never get together I

1957
01:23:24,209 --> 01:23:22,239
went to write this story for the

1958
01:23:26,850 --> 01:23:24,219
magazine and of course whenever I write

1959
01:23:29,370 --> 01:23:26,860
a story I want to thoroughly examine and

1960
01:23:31,290 --> 01:23:29,380
research the story to find the route of

1961
01:23:34,110 --> 01:23:31,300
where everything comes from to write an

1962
01:23:37,979 --> 01:23:34,120
accurate and full story when I wrote

1963
01:23:39,660 --> 01:23:37,989
this story I was expecting because I'm

1964
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:39,670
cynical being in this field for this

1965
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:42,250
long expecting to find what the what

1966
01:23:47,580 --> 01:23:45,040
those photos really were and I couldn't

1967
01:23:50,150 --> 01:23:47,590
I really felt like this idea of a boat

1968
01:23:52,830 --> 01:23:50,160
is ridiculous it doesn't fit whatsoever

1969
01:23:54,450 --> 01:23:52,840
it doesn't look like a cruise ship you

1970
01:23:55,919 --> 01:23:54,460
know people are saying it could be the

1971
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:55,929
top of a cruise ship that's over the

1972
01:24:00,900 --> 01:23:58,090
horizon doesn't fit with witness

1973
01:24:03,330 --> 01:24:00,910
testimony it doesn't fit with what's in

1974
01:24:06,540 --> 01:24:03,340
the video or anything so I was really

1975
01:24:10,380 --> 01:24:06,550
surprised by this however and here's

1976
01:24:12,959 --> 01:24:10,390
where that and that's so fun some people

1977
01:24:14,610 --> 01:24:12,969
have informed me lately Frank Warren I

1978
01:24:17,010 --> 01:24:14,620
think was the one who really kind of

1979
01:24:19,620 --> 01:24:17,020
turned me on to the researcher who was

1980
01:24:24,150 --> 01:24:19,630
able to demonstrate that what was filmed

1981
01:24:26,490 --> 01:24:24,160
was most likely a reflection an internal

1982
01:24:30,180 --> 01:24:26,500
reflection from the lens because this

1983
01:24:34,260 --> 01:24:30,190
person had a video camera with a big

1984
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:34,270
lens on it so he was zooming in when you

1985
01:24:39,330 --> 01:24:36,730
zoom in on a point of light in the dark

1986
01:24:41,820 --> 01:24:39,340
with cameras such as this often there

1987
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:41,830
are artifacts where essentially that

1988
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:45,330
point of light reflects the edge of the

1989
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:49,330
internal lens and they were able to

1990
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:52,690
produce pictures that look very similar

1991
01:25:01,050 --> 01:24:57,730
and and the internal lens has a notch

1992
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:01,060
they have notches in them very similar

1993
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:04,000
to the notch that seen in these turkey

1994
01:25:08,910 --> 01:25:06,370
videos and it's in this notch that

1995
01:25:11,010 --> 01:25:08,920
people believe they can see aliens now I

1996
01:25:12,990 --> 01:25:11,020
wrote about that the thing with the guy

1997
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:13,000
claiming that you know those were aliens

1998
01:25:16,730 --> 01:25:14,010
in the not

1999
01:25:18,830 --> 01:25:16,740
I'm not so sure I mean it's blurry I can

2000
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:18,840
see how they could think that if this

2001
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:20,850
truly was an extraterrestrial spacecraft

2002
01:25:28,540 --> 01:25:23,610
perhaps that's what they were but I'm

2003
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:28,550
not convinced of that but this new

2004
01:25:36,530 --> 01:25:32,850
explanation for me is very promising and

2005
01:25:40,460 --> 01:25:36,540
I plan in the next couple of months here

2006
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:40,470
to explore this more closely to see if I

2007
01:25:45,410 --> 01:25:44,010
can reproduce that effect and I'm gonna

2008
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:45,420
do my best to do that

2009
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:48,090
and I'm at least at this point I'm

2010
01:25:52,610 --> 01:25:50,850
confident I will be able to do it let's

2011
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:52,620
go back to abduction since we're dealing

2012
01:25:57,980 --> 01:25:55,440
with unpleasant do we hear much about

2013
01:25:59,930 --> 01:25:57,990
abductions anymore it seems like the

2014
01:26:02,990 --> 01:25:59,940
most compelling cases are in the years

2015
01:26:05,870 --> 01:26:03,000
past I think that's a really good point

2016
01:26:07,490 --> 01:26:05,880
and it's funny because my girlfriend was

2017
01:26:09,260 --> 01:26:07,500
just talking about this she's like I

2018
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:09,270
don't believe any of these new cases the

2019
01:26:13,940 --> 01:26:11,970
old ones you know people who say it's

2020
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:13,950
happening now I'm not so sure it is of

2021
01:26:18,860 --> 01:26:16,650
course we have people like a von Smith

2022
01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:18,870
and a lot of the adopted abduction

2023
01:26:22,910 --> 01:26:20,310
researchers out there who do believe

2024
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:22,920
that it's still happening this is mostly

2025
01:26:28,820 --> 01:26:26,250
anecdotal stuff and but yeah you're

2026
01:26:31,100 --> 01:26:28,830
right the older cases I mean when it

2027
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:31,110
comes to abduction I think I'm really

2028
01:26:34,100 --> 01:26:32,730
excited about the Congress this year

2029
01:26:35,780 --> 01:26:34,110
because we're gonna have the allagash

2030
01:26:38,450 --> 01:26:35,790
guys this is something that happened in

2031
01:26:40,190 --> 01:26:38,460
76 we're gonna have one of the allagash

2032
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:40,200
guys but we're gonna have some video

2033
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:43,050
testimony that we just got from some of

2034
01:26:48,590 --> 01:26:45,120
the others where it's a multiple

2035
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:48,600
abduction case very very credible case I

2036
01:26:54,770 --> 01:26:52,080
believe but these are all older cases so

2037
01:26:57,770 --> 01:26:54,780
I think you raise a really good point I

2038
01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:57,780
mean is that still going on even Kherson

2039
01:27:04,580 --> 01:27:00,000
alums enough says has happened in the

2040
01:27:06,590 --> 01:27:04,590
90s something like 93 so I think I think

2041
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:06,600
that's a that's a great question one of

2042
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:08,250
the cool things that happened this year

2043
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:09,690
and it's gonna happen again next year

2044
01:27:17,930 --> 01:27:13,440
for people by speaking of the stories

2045
01:27:22,580 --> 01:27:17,940
from 2014 as Travis Walton took people

2046
01:27:24,129 --> 01:27:22,590
back to the site where the alleged

2047
01:27:28,030 --> 01:27:24,139
abduction happens there

2048
01:27:30,189 --> 01:27:28,040
and we were able to go there as well and

2049
01:27:31,930 --> 01:27:30,199
he told the story we got some footage we

2050
01:27:33,669 --> 01:27:31,940
have a YouTube video of us kind of

2051
01:27:36,669 --> 01:27:33,679
showing you the area and everything

2052
01:27:39,340 --> 01:27:36,679
people can go look at or last year was

2053
01:27:41,620 --> 01:27:39,350
the 39th anniversary this year will be

2054
01:27:43,180 --> 01:27:41,630
the 40th and so he's gonna be picking

2055
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:43,190
people back there for the 40th in

2056
01:27:47,290 --> 01:27:45,170
November so you can keep an eye for that

2057
01:27:50,260 --> 01:27:47,300
he calls it was the sky fire air

2058
01:27:52,930 --> 01:27:50,270
conference so that's kind of cool

2059
01:27:54,850 --> 01:27:52,940
to get an idea of this place because I

2060
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:54,860
don't know how you guys feel about his

2061
01:28:01,060 --> 01:27:58,880
case but I think that the more and more

2062
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:01,070
I look into it the longer I know him

2063
01:28:05,470 --> 01:28:03,650
I've known him for so long now spent a

2064
01:28:09,310 --> 01:28:05,480
lot of time with him it just seems like

2065
01:28:12,430 --> 01:28:09,320
a real credible case and so what might

2066
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:12,440
have happened at that spot you know 39

2067
01:28:18,879 --> 01:28:15,530
40 years ago is pretty extraordinary you

2068
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:18,889
know there was also attendant cases too

2069
01:28:22,780 --> 01:28:20,449
sprinkled around the area including the

2070
01:28:25,300 --> 01:28:22,790
only wave of cattle mutilations at

2071
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:25,310
Arizona experience was all in the month

2072
01:28:32,979 --> 01:28:28,330
six weeks leading up to his abduction

2073
01:28:36,609 --> 01:28:32,989
Wow so there's other you know when I

2074
01:28:37,780 --> 01:28:36,619
when I look at a case that's gained a

2075
01:28:39,250 --> 01:28:37,790
lot of attention that has a lot of

2076
01:28:40,899 --> 01:28:39,260
notoriety the first thing I do is look

2077
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:40,909
and see if there's other cases that

2078
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:44,210
aren't as well known and in the case of

2079
01:28:51,939 --> 01:28:48,560
Travis and the guys there was a lot

2080
01:28:55,689 --> 01:28:51,949
going on along the Mogollon Rim that

2081
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:55,699
that definitely was unusual in late

2082
01:29:02,379 --> 01:28:57,530
September October and into early

2083
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:02,389
November of 75 and I just I find it

2084
01:29:10,090 --> 01:29:04,610
pretty interesting that you should have

2085
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:10,100
this claim right at the height of quite

2086
01:29:13,330 --> 01:29:11,330
a number of reports that were being

2087
01:29:15,399 --> 01:29:13,340
filed by law enforcement ranchers and

2088
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:15,409
others in the area including clifford

2089
01:29:19,450 --> 01:29:18,050
mahooty who had a sighting a really

2090
01:29:22,629 --> 01:29:19,460
riveting sighting that was right over

2091
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:22,639
the Zuni Pueblo in just a couple of

2092
01:29:29,020 --> 01:29:25,330
weeks I think or three weeks before or

2093
01:29:32,350 --> 01:29:29,030
after I think the the Walton case so so

2094
01:29:34,419 --> 01:29:32,360
that's that's all supportive I think of

2095
01:29:36,339 --> 01:29:34,429
the reality of of the event that

2096
01:29:37,930 --> 01:29:36,349
something did happen you know there was

2097
01:29:39,130 --> 01:29:37,940
another piece of news too

2098
01:29:41,050 --> 01:29:39,140
about abduction that's really

2099
01:29:43,660 --> 01:29:41,060
interesting from this year William

2100
01:29:44,380 --> 01:29:43,670
Shatner is saying that he's gonna write

2101
01:29:48,189 --> 01:29:44,390
a book

2102
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:48,199
based on John Mac's research into alien

2103
01:29:55,780 --> 01:29:51,410
abduction and yet learn there's a stop

2104
01:29:57,700 --> 01:29:55,790
of them we now I guess when this guy is

2105
01:29:59,680 --> 01:29:57,710
involved in everything you know he's

2106
01:30:03,490 --> 01:29:59,690
trying to sell you a discount air

2107
01:30:06,340 --> 01:30:03,500
tickets and hotel reservations and he's

2108
01:30:09,310 --> 01:30:06,350
written or I say co-written there's some

2109
01:30:11,350 --> 01:30:09,320
science fiction novels so I'm not

2110
01:30:12,850 --> 01:30:11,360
surprised but of course we know with

2111
01:30:15,220 --> 01:30:12,860
William Shatner it's not that he really

2112
01:30:17,890 --> 01:30:15,230
writes these books he gets in the ghost

2113
01:30:19,330 --> 01:30:17,900
writers and he works with them to put

2114
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:19,340
these books together I want to ask you

2115
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:21,650
more about that though Alejandro Rojas

2116
01:30:27,340 --> 01:30:25,130
is joining us from open minds and we're

2117
01:30:30,650 --> 01:30:27,350
keeping our minds open right now Gina

2118
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:30,660
and Chris you're in the para cast

2119
01:30:40,500 --> 01:30:36,730
[Music]

2120
01:30:43,020 --> 01:30:40,510
great minds think alike the network for

2121
01:30:47,940 --> 01:30:43,030
the independent finding the genesis

2122
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communications network G C n first game

2123
01:30:51,480 --> 01:30:49,450
attack of the rock codes and it was a

2124
01:30:53,430 --> 01:30:51,490
critically acclaimed success and now

2125
01:30:55,530 --> 01:30:53,440
there is the coming of the protectors a

2126
01:30:57,840 --> 01:30:55,540
former military intelligence man is

2127
01:30:59,640 --> 01:30:57,850
contacted by a space woman in a dream a

2128
01:31:02,070 --> 01:30:59,650
dream that turns out to be a nightmare

2129
01:31:03,780 --> 01:31:02,080
because evil forces on our distant

2130
01:31:06,450 --> 01:31:03,790
planet are planning to conquer the earth

2131
01:31:08,910 --> 01:31:06,460
this is gripping science fiction of the

2132
01:31:10,650 --> 01:31:08,920
classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

2133
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and the coming of the protectors

2134
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find out more at Rocko is calm that's

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rock oh it's our Ock oids calm so here's

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what happened I was placing an order

2137
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:22,270
online the site went down it took hours

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find this guy Chris to the San Luis

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Valley where of course I spent many

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ask you Alejandro with regard to UFO

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abductions and this is the bigger

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question of all what do you think is

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responsible are they really meeting up

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with ETS undergoing some kind of weird

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psychic experience what's going on well

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I just wrote a story about Greer and one

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of his latest sightings where I was

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being able to be enlightened by one of

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his followers

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there are Koreans that are visiting us

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opposed it's the are Koreans

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yeah they're here to visit us for

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peaceful reasons and one of the methods

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of creating peace is by flying over

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groups of people and flashing their

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lights on and off and taking off very

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quickly and so way bad way makes you

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I don't know how that you know they

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could just be pissed off cuz these guys

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are shooting their lasers at him and

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then they flash their lights they could

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be like f you and then they're taking

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off so no I don't I am NOT a hundred

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percent on anything like I said I don't

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think we have a hundred percent evidence

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on that's why I like Chris O'Brien's

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work in John keel and and his friend

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from the San Luis Valley Danny Perkins

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yeah David Perkins you know kind of

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introducing well and it's what Heineken

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valet got to a lot of people in this

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field is that they weren't able to 100%

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pin down this is extraterrestrial nature

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and just because that is a hypothesis we

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can come up with without being able to

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prove it doesn't mean that it that's

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what it is

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I think there could be any number of

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things going on I think there are

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psychological things going on here

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especially with abduction and and others

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phenomena that we're not familiar with

2307
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yet I think there is a third party

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involvement though it seems like and

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could this be people from the future I

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know there's some people that feel

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strongly of that at James Penniston of

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the Rendlesham forest witness he

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believes they're people from the future

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Mac Maloney who writes about military

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cases he thinks they're most likely

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people from the future that's possible

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so I don't know for sure that we're

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talking to extraterrestrials and just

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because someone is being told even even

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if some of the sagging anecdotal is

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information is accurate these people are

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saying well you know they told me this

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well how do we know that's true we

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definitely don't know that why should we

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believe et yeah I mean we don't have a

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reason to believe et and and the people

2327
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who like even when you talk about aliens

2328
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and up

2329
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or you know he's had it well he's rich

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he's got friends in high places

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he hasn't had any negative effect but I

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think that's rare certainly if you ask

2333
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Travis Walton about his experiences he

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would say they were extremely traumatic

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and he's had a lot of negative effects I

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think if you asked him he would say I

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wish it never happened a lot of people

2338
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do say that but you know um it's funny

2339
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because I was really it made it poignant

2340
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I guess because it's kind of a worst

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case scenario as watching American

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Horror Story I'm on the second season

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where there's alien abduction involved

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in this poor guy who supposedly was

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taken by aliens is in an asylum I mean

2346
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people who have these experiences even

2347
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if they were positive have some very

2348
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negative side effects they are

2349
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ostracized by society if they talk about

2350
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this no doubt many people are just feel

2351
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awkward and strange about it and there's

2352
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no doubt you know you talk with these

2353
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people and that they've had problems in

2354
01:40:36,300 --> 01:40:34,360
their relationships when they tell

2355
01:40:37,470 --> 01:40:36,310
people family members of that they

2356
01:40:41,010 --> 01:40:37,480
believe they're being taken by

2357
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extraterrestrials so you know there's a

2358
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:45,190
lot of ramification to end and so if it

2359
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:47,170
is happening I don't know what that it's

2360
01:40:52,620 --> 01:40:50,410
can't it's not all positive so let me

2361
01:40:56,850 --> 01:40:52,630
ask you here then if an alien abductees

2362
01:40:58,620 --> 01:40:56,860
says abductee says to you well I've had

2363
01:41:00,720 --> 01:40:58,630
these experiences for a number of years

2364
01:41:01,290 --> 01:41:00,730
and I'm perfectly sane I'm perfectly

2365
01:41:03,780 --> 01:41:01,300
normal

2366
01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:03,790
there's been no impact I wouldn't

2367
01:41:12,030 --> 01:41:09,040
believe them would you I'm not talking

2368
01:41:16,050 --> 01:41:12,040
about reality or falsity here I'm just

2369
01:41:17,460 --> 01:41:16,060
talking about you mean sure how could

2370
01:41:22,170 --> 01:41:17,470
you have to go anything like that and

2371
01:41:26,100 --> 01:41:22,180
not be impacted not be hurt she claims

2372
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:26,110
it was yeah I mean there's contact cases

2373
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:28,480
alleged contact II Kate was in love with

2374
01:41:33,930 --> 01:41:31,330
her alien lover who would occasionally

2375
01:41:37,470 --> 01:41:33,940
dress up in a gold cape and like gold

2376
01:41:39,090 --> 01:41:37,480
LeMay Cape like Elvis yeah like I'm

2377
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:39,100
that's normal

2378
01:41:43,710 --> 01:41:41,770
I mean I kind of want to just say if I

2379
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:43,720
could sit down with them and say okay if

2380
01:41:50,669 --> 01:41:47,449
you're trying to create or

2381
01:41:53,310 --> 01:41:50,679
or you know have relations with humans

2382
01:41:56,919 --> 01:41:53,320
positive kind of back and forth

2383
01:41:59,860 --> 01:41:56,929
abducting us and doing experiments on us

2384
01:42:01,479 --> 01:41:59,870
it's not the best way to go about it you

2385
01:42:03,070 --> 01:42:01,489
know it might have been best if you

2386
01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:03,080
would have come and said hey we're

2387
01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:06,110
aliens we're here we need to do some

2388
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:07,489
experiments are there any volunteers

2389
01:42:11,229 --> 01:42:09,770
it's very important that we get some

2390
01:42:13,870 --> 01:42:11,239
people they probably would have got a

2391
01:42:17,650 --> 01:42:13,880
lot of people if they did that but why

2392
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:17,660
do you evaluate Lenape rets by our

2393
01:42:23,260 --> 01:42:20,170
standards and our motivations their

2394
01:42:25,780 --> 01:42:23,270
society may not even allow for that they

2395
01:42:27,550 --> 01:42:25,790
may feel that we're just lesser beings

2396
01:42:30,430 --> 01:42:27,560
just a bunch of animals they can do what

2397
01:42:33,490 --> 01:42:30,440
they want well and that I think the

2398
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:33,500
evidence is more linked towards that you

2399
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:33,890
know I

2400
01:42:38,979 --> 01:42:37,130
if leans more towards they're taking us

2401
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:38,989
they're doing their experiments just

2402
01:42:44,729 --> 01:42:41,170
like we would do with other animals

2403
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:44,739
we're a more conscious communicative

2404
01:42:50,260 --> 01:42:48,410
being so they are sending us messages of

2405
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:50,270
peace and love that you make us you know

2406
01:42:54,130 --> 01:42:52,010
relax while they do their experiments

2407
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:54,140
and then they put us back and you know

2408
01:42:58,209 --> 01:42:56,090
so be it even if it's a positive

2409
01:42:59,979 --> 01:42:58,219
experience and it destroys your

2410
01:43:03,250 --> 01:42:59,989
relationship with your family and makes

2411
01:43:05,650 --> 01:43:03,260
you ostracized by society so be it you

2412
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:05,660
know your butt will stop hurting in a

2413
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:08,449
few days right basically to them it's

2414
01:43:15,370 --> 01:43:12,770
like taking a poor animal and patting it

2415
01:43:17,860 --> 01:43:15,380
on the head and saying good boy good boy

2416
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:17,870
and then torturing the life out of them

2417
01:43:22,090 --> 01:43:20,050
but then are these experiences even

2418
01:43:24,700 --> 01:43:22,100
literal which is of course the big thing

2419
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:24,710
it's not just where is the source for

2420
01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:27,170
abductions are these people remembering

2421
01:43:31,959 --> 01:43:29,600
what really happened and the reason I

2422
01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:31,969
bring that up is a theory I've expressed

2423
01:43:36,370 --> 01:43:34,400
that sometimes gets convoluted and that

2424
01:43:39,490 --> 01:43:36,380
is we talk about screen memories with

2425
01:43:41,500 --> 01:43:39,500
abductions where supposedly ET is hiding

2426
01:43:41,919 --> 01:43:41,510
the details with the memory of something

2427
01:43:44,590 --> 01:43:41,929
else

2428
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:44,600
and I suggest turning around maybe the

2429
01:43:49,419 --> 01:43:47,210
abduction experience itself is the

2430
01:43:54,450 --> 01:43:49,429
screen memory for some other unknown

2431
01:43:58,840 --> 01:43:54,460
event I mean that's entirely possible

2432
01:44:01,030 --> 01:43:58,850
yeah I mean what's interesting you know

2433
01:44:02,860 --> 01:44:01,040
along those lines is speaking of joy

2434
01:44:05,830 --> 01:44:02,870
Mack and William Shatner writing a book

2435
01:44:09,630 --> 01:44:05,840
about John Mack is that John Mack was

2436
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:09,640
not convinced that these were physical

2437
01:44:14,620 --> 01:44:12,770
experiences that they were all in the

2438
01:44:18,670 --> 01:44:14,630
mind now he felt that there was a third

2439
01:44:21,930 --> 01:44:18,680
party involved but if they are all in

2440
01:44:25,060 --> 01:44:21,940
the mind the mind is certainly easily

2441
01:44:27,190 --> 01:44:25,070
manipulated when it comes to memory if

2442
01:44:30,850 --> 01:44:27,200
you do research on memory my degrees in

2443
01:44:34,140 --> 01:44:30,860
psychology and memory is an extremely

2444
01:44:38,620 --> 01:44:34,150
fallible thing and it's very malleable

2445
01:44:40,870 --> 01:44:38,630
more and more studies prove this so it

2446
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:40,880
wouldn't be difficult most likely to

2447
01:44:46,780 --> 01:44:43,370
create a screen memory even if it's not

2448
01:44:49,390 --> 01:44:46,790
a strong screen memory your mind fills

2449
01:44:53,020 --> 01:44:49,400
in the blanks all by itself so it will

2450
01:44:55,180 --> 01:44:53,030
build upon this memory and they know

2451
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:55,190
this because it's very easy to implant

2452
01:44:59,140 --> 01:44:56,570
people do this all the time

2453
01:45:01,660 --> 01:44:59,150
memories into people just by suggesting

2454
01:45:04,230 --> 01:45:01,670
something when an occurrence happens and

2455
01:45:07,390 --> 01:45:04,240
people's minds they've done experiment

2456
01:45:09,070 --> 01:45:07,400
after time as time goes on build these

2457
01:45:12,910 --> 01:45:09,080
elaborate memories around these things

2458
01:45:15,910 --> 01:45:12,920
that are false life who knows real or

2459
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:15,920
false UFO abductions Alejandro Rojas

2460
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2507
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2508
01:47:53,300 --> 01:47:49,000
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2509
01:48:01,709 --> 01:47:53,310
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2510
01:48:03,689 --> 01:48:01,719
here's Jane Steinberg if I close my eyes

2511
01:48:07,229 --> 01:48:03,699
for a second I think Alejandro does a

2512
01:48:09,209 --> 01:48:07,239
perfect imitation of Chris O'Brien maybe

2513
01:48:13,770 --> 01:48:09,219
there's only one person talking there

2514
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:13,780
out of two different microphones never

2515
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:17,170
seen them together I may not exist this

2516
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:20,639
may be a hoax that perpetrated by Chris

2517
01:48:27,750 --> 01:48:26,290
right you're my screen memory well some

2518
01:48:30,180 --> 01:48:27,760
people think Chris and I are the same

2519
01:48:34,140 --> 01:48:30,190
person and he's my nightmare or I'm his

2520
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:34,150
nightmare you're my nightmare I resemble

2521
01:48:39,930 --> 01:48:36,250
that remark but talking about abductions

2522
01:48:42,090 --> 01:48:39,940
so so many possibilities here and don't

2523
01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:42,100
you think this is a loaded question that

2524
01:48:46,250 --> 01:48:44,800
using hypnotic regression to recover

2525
01:48:49,050 --> 01:48:46,260
memories of what might have happened

2526
01:48:51,810 --> 01:48:49,060
really serves as a counterpoint because

2527
01:48:53,580 --> 01:48:51,820
it does sometimes or often caused people

2528
01:48:57,709 --> 01:48:53,590
to remember things that didn't really

2529
01:49:01,649 --> 01:48:57,719
happen I think that what people who do

2530
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:01,659
regressions really need to do is to do

2531
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:05,850
some actual scientific you know

2532
01:49:12,510 --> 01:49:09,280
documentation on follow some some

2533
01:49:16,379 --> 01:49:12,520
scientific protocols and do some papers

2534
01:49:20,459 --> 01:49:16,389
and some experiments to prove regression

2535
01:49:23,490 --> 01:49:20,469
can even actually pull out accurate

2536
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:23,500
memories because there is no evidence of

2537
01:49:28,260 --> 01:49:25,570
that there are there's no research there

2538
01:49:30,419 --> 01:49:28,270
aren't studies doing this and people

2539
01:49:33,419 --> 01:49:30,429
should be studying this to figure that

2540
01:49:36,180 --> 01:49:33,429
out just say that it's not admissible in

2541
01:49:39,330 --> 01:49:36,190
a court of law so right it's not and you

2542
01:49:42,570 --> 01:49:39,340
know what I for many years you know I

2543
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:42,580
taught meditation and I was really into

2544
01:49:49,350 --> 01:49:45,730
this sort of thing and relaxation then

2545
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:49,360
when I got into this field I started

2546
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:51,610
going and at first I was very skeptical

2547
01:49:56,430 --> 01:49:54,159
when it came to abductions but I decided

2548
01:49:57,890 --> 01:49:56,440
you know people were coming to me as a

2549
01:50:00,560 --> 01:49:57,900
MUFON field investigator

2550
01:50:04,250 --> 01:50:00,570
who wanted help and I decided to take

2551
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:04,260
them to dr. Leo sprinkle because he

2552
01:50:10,459 --> 01:50:07,760
actually has a degree in psychology and

2553
01:50:13,700 --> 01:50:10,469
and I thought that was important that I

2554
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:13,710
didn't he's probably the first most

2555
01:50:17,419 --> 01:50:15,570
successful investigator that actually

2556
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:17,429
did hypnotic regression all the way back

2557
01:50:22,669 --> 01:50:19,650
in the mid sixties he was only a few

2558
01:50:25,100 --> 01:50:22,679
hours away from me so when I did that I

2559
01:50:28,130 --> 01:50:25,110
saw that these regression methodologies

2560
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:28,140
were similar to the relaxation things

2561
01:50:33,260 --> 01:50:30,570
that I had learned about and so I

2562
01:50:36,439 --> 01:50:33,270
actually went and sought out and got a

2563
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:36,449
certificate in hypnotherapy and a

2564
01:50:43,250 --> 01:50:40,050
relaxation and what that demonstrated to

2565
01:50:47,090 --> 01:50:43,260
me is just even more so how malleable

2566
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:47,100
the mind is when you use hypnotherapy

2567
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:50,610
for therapeutic reasons you relax a

2568
01:50:55,250 --> 01:50:53,370
person and then you use imagery and all

2569
01:50:58,040 --> 01:50:55,260
of these little tricks to really bring

2570
01:51:00,380 --> 01:50:58,050
them into a fantasy that is created by

2571
01:51:02,479 --> 01:51:00,390
their own mind and essentially you're

2572
01:51:06,169 --> 01:51:02,489
just helping them and it's a very

2573
01:51:07,729 --> 01:51:06,179
effective hypnotherapy and and helping

2574
01:51:10,070 --> 01:51:07,739
them resolve issues but what you're

2575
01:51:12,260 --> 01:51:10,080
doing is you're telling them imagine for

2576
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:12,270
instance imagine going into a room and

2577
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:14,250
in this room there's going to be a

2578
01:51:20,930 --> 01:51:17,370
person standing there and that person is

2579
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:20,940
gonna be the exact person who knows how

2580
01:51:26,899 --> 01:51:23,250
to solve this issue that you're having

2581
01:51:28,669 --> 01:51:26,909
and then you tell them to describe the

2582
01:51:30,590 --> 01:51:28,679
room because this brings them further

2583
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:30,600
into it what does a room look like what

2584
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:32,010
does it feel like what does it sound

2585
01:51:36,260 --> 01:51:34,050
like who's in the room what does that

2586
01:51:37,910 --> 01:51:36,270
person look like who is that person do

2587
01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:37,920
you know that person what are they

2588
01:51:42,979 --> 01:51:40,080
wearing and all of this you know

2589
01:51:45,410 --> 01:51:42,989
descriptive stuff makes the mind create

2590
01:51:47,510 --> 01:51:45,420
this fantasy and you walk them through

2591
01:51:48,919 --> 01:51:47,520
this and you say okay you know you walk

2592
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:48,929
them through a conversation with this

2593
01:51:54,380 --> 01:51:52,320
other person is a common method and then

2594
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:54,390
when you're done they remember this

2595
01:51:58,240 --> 01:51:55,679
they've had all these revelations

2596
01:52:00,290 --> 01:51:58,250
essentially just this fantasy

2597
01:52:02,390 --> 01:52:00,300
conversation that happened in their mind

2598
01:52:04,550 --> 01:52:02,400
so they feel better about whatever the

2599
01:52:07,189 --> 01:52:04,560
issue is and they're always shocked I

2600
01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:07,199
can't believe that you know I came up

2601
01:52:11,570 --> 01:52:09,360
with this stuff I mean what's with the

2602
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:11,580
pink room with the the fuzzy

2603
01:52:16,010 --> 01:52:13,440
where did that come from I've never been

2604
01:52:18,500 --> 01:52:16,020
to a room like that the mind you know

2605
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:18,510
does this it creates all of this stuff

2606
01:52:24,980 --> 01:52:22,080
and so especially unfortunately like the

2607
01:52:27,230 --> 01:52:24,990
work but Hopkins was doing if you were

2608
01:52:28,730 --> 01:52:27,240
to take someone into and and dr.

2609
01:52:31,820 --> 01:52:28,740
sprinkles careful about this

2610
01:52:36,020 --> 01:52:31,830
you don't lead whenever you tell someone

2611
01:52:37,970 --> 01:52:36,030
so the room was it round were there no

2612
01:52:40,070 --> 01:52:37,980
corners in this room that you were in

2613
01:52:41,780 --> 01:52:40,080
yeah I don't think that you know right

2614
01:52:44,330 --> 01:52:41,790
there you put in a suggestion and their

2615
01:52:48,020 --> 01:52:44,340
mind just created this room so basically

2616
01:52:49,940 --> 01:52:48,030
what you would do Alejandro is what did

2617
01:52:51,590 --> 01:52:49,950
the room look like once you establish

2618
01:52:53,780 --> 01:52:51,600
somebody was in a room what does it look

2619
01:52:55,670 --> 01:52:53,790
like show me any distinguishing features

2620
01:52:59,780 --> 01:52:55,680
what about the walls what about the

2621
01:53:02,480 --> 01:52:59,790
ceiling where you don't give them a

2622
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:02,490
survey and have them fill out a survey

2623
01:53:06,410 --> 01:53:04,320
to determine whether they're being

2624
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:06,420
abducted by aliens and then say I think

2625
01:53:10,580 --> 01:53:08,370
you've been abducted by aliens

2626
01:53:13,190 --> 01:53:10,590
let's do a regression to find out about

2627
01:53:17,060 --> 01:53:13,200
what those aliens did to you therefore

2628
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:17,070
the subject is now predisposed yet to

2629
01:53:20,630 --> 01:53:19,050
remembering an alien abduction

2630
01:53:24,470 --> 01:53:20,640
experience but isn't that true if you go

2631
01:53:26,540 --> 01:53:24,480
to somebody compromise options has

2632
01:53:27,650 --> 01:53:26,550
written books on the subject and made

2633
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:27,660
public appearances

2634
01:53:32,270 --> 01:53:30,090
now I'm sure people like Budd Hopkins

2635
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:32,280
and dr. David Jacobs and everything

2636
01:53:35,810 --> 01:53:33,810
we're very sincere about what they did

2637
01:53:38,240 --> 01:53:35,820
I'm not going to say they were dishonest

2638
01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:38,250
but I think once you go to someone like

2639
01:53:44,390 --> 01:53:41,970
that and subject yourself to hypnotic

2640
01:53:47,900 --> 01:53:44,400
regression you are prejudging the result

2641
01:53:49,730 --> 01:53:47,910
oh yeah right and you can't know what

2642
01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:49,740
level of contamination has happened

2643
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:52,320
there if they are totally circumspect

2644
01:53:56,810 --> 01:53:54,330
about what they're doing their mere act

2645
01:53:59,300 --> 01:53:56,820
of getting involved is going to prejudge

2646
01:54:02,510 --> 01:53:59,310
the result well and you can't you can

2647
01:54:04,340 --> 01:54:02,520
judge the level of contamination very

2648
01:54:07,580 --> 01:54:04,350
simply just by looking at the types of

2649
01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:07,590
cases that seem to crop up with each of

2650
01:54:12,260 --> 01:54:10,530
these particular so-called abduction

2651
01:54:14,450 --> 01:54:12,270
research as they tend to attract the

2652
01:54:16,940 --> 01:54:14,460
exact kind in case case after case after

2653
01:54:19,490 --> 01:54:16,950
case they're not all over the book Leo

2654
01:54:21,890 --> 01:54:19,500
attracts people who have more positive

2655
01:54:25,820 --> 01:54:21,900
benevolent more contact the experiences

2656
01:54:29,740 --> 01:54:25,830
but in Jacobs attracted the the invasive

2657
01:54:34,010 --> 01:54:29,750
they're hybrid izing hiii-yah

2658
01:54:38,150 --> 01:54:34,020
alien-human hybrids these researchers

2659
01:54:42,530 --> 01:54:38,160
tends to attract or pull out of their

2660
01:54:45,530 --> 01:54:42,540
their abductee claimants similar types

2661
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:45,540
of descriptions and true and similar

2662
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:48,090
types of trees so you can tell there was

2663
01:54:55,460 --> 01:54:51,450
some contamination however if someone

2664
01:54:59,150 --> 01:54:55,470
had a real abduction experience I think

2665
01:55:01,370 --> 01:54:59,160
that most likely some kernel of what

2666
01:55:03,500 --> 01:55:01,380
happened is probably in their

2667
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:03,510
subconscious and could be pulled out and

2668
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:06,090
perhaps for people who may have really

2669
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had an experience that is being pulled

2670
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out amongst all this contamination but

2671
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what's going on there

2672
01:55:17,300 --> 01:55:14,520
another thing is about Leo the

2673
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difference with Leo is that he was what

2674
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he does is therapeutic

2675
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meaning that he wants to lessen the

2676
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trauma they experience and help them

2677
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come to peace with whatever is happening

2678
01:55:31,460 --> 01:55:29,250
and I think that's very important these

2679
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people need therapy for whatever reason

2680
01:55:36,590 --> 01:55:35,100
the trauma or our the the the issues

2681
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they have are manifesting themselves

2682
01:55:43,820 --> 01:55:40,140
into this et experience so real or not

2683
01:55:47,120 --> 01:55:43,830
they need some therapy so Leo will help

2684
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them come to peace with this whole thing

2685
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and and so then it turns into a more

2686
01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:53,250
positive thing it leads the experience

2687
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but at least it is therapeutic whereas a

2688
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lot of people who are coming to these

2689
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really miss various kind of conclusions

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are leaving these people thinking oh my

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god you know I was just part of this

2692
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evil crap and and these things are gonna

2693
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come back and terrorize me some more

2694
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right well we've gone over this ground

2695
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time and time again and there there are

2696
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no easy answers I just love the

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description that a really old medicine

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man of the Hickory Apache gave his

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grandson in training to be a medicine

2700
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man and when he asked him about the

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abduction experience he said that that

2702
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you don't they don't take you out to

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your room and through the wall or

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through the window up to a ship the ship

2705
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forms around

2706
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mmm-hmm I always thought that was quite

2707
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the interesting description well let's

2708
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move on we're we're having so much fun

2709
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here we're running out of time and I

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wanted to talk a little bit about the

2711
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upcoming 2015 International UFO Congress

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you know or forum that talks about some

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of the the people that are gonna be

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there and most notably you've somehow

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pulled the infamous bob lazar out and

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smoking pug who's one of our latest

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signees so many people are signing up at

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the forum and he's he's popped a

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question off here and he he is asking

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you could you please ask alejandro does

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he believe bob lazar stories about area

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51 and was it difficult to get him to

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agree to speak at the congress this year

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we had et that time et came over he came

2824
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down you can't prove that oh we're down

2825
02:02:10,160 --> 02:02:08,219
the street from me Alejandro Rojas I'm

2826
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going to come over right now and CVT is

2827
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there I'm gonna see if that picture this

2828
02:02:18,500 --> 02:02:16,080
genial guy standing up there is the real

2829
02:02:21,500 --> 02:02:18,510
one or whether there's some et gray kind

2830
02:02:24,410 --> 02:02:21,510
of person Bob Lazar how did you get Bob

2831
02:02:27,439 --> 02:02:24,420
Lazar to come out of hiding and show up

2832
02:02:30,979 --> 02:02:27,449
what do you think was it yes it was

2833
02:02:32,540 --> 02:02:30,989
extremely difficult it was luckily I

2834
02:02:35,649 --> 02:02:32,550
have a great relationship with George

2835
02:02:38,870 --> 02:02:35,659
Knapp so Bob Lazar did these interviews

2836
02:02:41,240 --> 02:02:38,880
this last year it was the anniversary of

2837
02:02:44,930 --> 02:02:41,250
him coming forward with his claims about

2838
02:02:47,120 --> 02:02:44,940
area 51 and they were great interviews

2839
02:02:49,430 --> 02:02:47,130
and I kind of felt and so did my boss

2840
02:02:51,590 --> 02:02:49,440
who's really into this that Bob Lazar

2841
02:02:54,740 --> 02:02:51,600
seems like he wants to share some

2842
02:02:57,590 --> 02:02:54,750
information so we approached George and

2843
02:03:00,020 --> 02:02:57,600
said I know he's he you know never done

2844
02:03:02,780 --> 02:03:00,030
a talk he did one small talk out in the

2845
02:03:04,970 --> 02:03:02,790
desert for Norio Hayakawa of all people

2846
02:03:08,180 --> 02:03:04,980
but there was only five or six people

2847
02:03:09,860 --> 02:03:08,190
there I guess not that I love norio I

2848
02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:09,870
think he's a great he's a funny guy but

2849
02:03:14,810 --> 02:03:12,330
just he's a very easy skeptic that's

2850
02:03:16,430 --> 02:03:14,820
what's interesting about it but so he's

2851
02:03:18,950 --> 02:03:16,440
never done a talk or he's never come in

2852
02:03:22,820 --> 02:03:18,960
like that so a Reyes did do something

2853
02:03:25,450 --> 02:03:22,830
and Rachael back yeah 90 or 91 and he

2854
02:03:27,610 --> 02:03:25,460
whipped out his rocket car if I remember

2855
02:03:30,860 --> 02:03:27,620
something like that

2856
02:03:33,290 --> 02:03:30,870
but we said you know this would be his

2857
02:03:36,919 --> 02:03:33,300
chance to come to the largest gathering

2858
02:03:38,840 --> 02:03:36,929
of UFO people and say his piece and get

2859
02:03:41,540 --> 02:03:38,850
it off his chest and be done with it and

2860
02:03:44,720 --> 02:03:41,550
so we approached him with that and he

2861
02:03:46,520 --> 02:03:44,730
seemed to be open to the idea he's very

2862
02:03:49,310 --> 02:03:46,530
difficult to get a hold of it was

2863
02:03:51,950 --> 02:03:49,320
difficult to pin it down but he decided

2864
02:03:54,530 --> 02:03:51,960
he wanted to do it so we've done lots of

2865
02:03:58,880 --> 02:03:54,540
negotiation to make sure it goes well

2866
02:04:01,729 --> 02:03:58,890
for him of course he trusts George so

2867
02:04:06,770 --> 02:04:01,739
yeah so I think I'm interested to hear

2868
02:04:10,090 --> 02:04:06,780
his what he has to say I am skeptical of

2869
02:04:13,140 --> 02:04:10,100
the whole area 51 thing I think what

2870
02:04:16,230 --> 02:04:13,150
really kind of one of my biggest problem

2871
02:04:20,400 --> 02:04:16,240
with it is now when you go look at the

2872
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:20,410
map to where he said he was bused to s4

2873
02:04:26,130 --> 02:04:22,570
there's nothing there I mean we have

2874
02:04:29,190 --> 02:04:26,140
great aerial photographs and there's no

2875
02:04:31,710 --> 02:04:29,200
road that leaves out to this area and

2876
02:04:34,440 --> 02:04:31,720
Papoose Lake nor does it look like there

2877
02:04:36,480 --> 02:04:34,450
ever was there's nothing there because

2878
02:04:38,160 --> 02:04:36,490
and that's the kiyose people they were

2879
02:04:41,340 --> 02:04:38,170
maybe they went underground or maybe

2880
02:04:43,260 --> 02:04:41,350
they they did this or that well maybe

2881
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:43,270
but we have a description from him

2882
02:04:49,350 --> 02:04:46,330
saying he was bused there so there

2883
02:04:51,420 --> 02:04:49,360
should be a road and you can see roads

2884
02:04:53,250 --> 02:04:51,430
out there you know that have been out

2885
02:04:57,480 --> 02:04:53,260
there for a long time all over the place

2886
02:04:58,800 --> 02:04:57,490
and there's no road so that's that's one

2887
02:05:00,390 --> 02:04:58,810
of the questions I would like to ask

2888
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:00,400
that's one of my big problems otherwise

2889
02:05:04,020 --> 02:05:02,410
of course they're pretty fantastical

2890
02:05:05,850 --> 02:05:04,030
claims and we've heard from a lot of

2891
02:05:08,370 --> 02:05:05,860
people that have worked at area 51 more

2892
02:05:10,490 --> 02:05:08,380
and more over the years and you know

2893
02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:10,500
we're just hearing about these

2894
02:05:15,300 --> 02:05:12,570
spectacular when it comes to Aero

2895
02:05:18,410 --> 02:05:15,310
aerodynamics and you know high-tech

2896
02:05:22,770 --> 02:05:18,420
aircraft but nothing extraterrestrial

2897
02:05:25,020 --> 02:05:22,780
however George Knapp has some compelling

2898
02:05:27,200 --> 02:05:25,030
stuff so does Stanton Friedman when it

2899
02:05:30,930 --> 02:05:27,210
comes to his degrees not being there but

2900
02:05:32,340 --> 02:05:30,940
George also agrees that you know there

2901
02:05:34,650 --> 02:05:32,350
is a problem there with the degrees but

2902
02:05:37,230 --> 02:05:34,660
he says he has had some corroborating

2903
02:05:40,170 --> 02:05:37,240
evidence that he has had other witnesses

2904
02:05:43,260 --> 02:05:40,180
come forward and substantiate Meszaros

2905
02:05:45,120 --> 02:05:43,270
claims so I want in particular that's

2906
02:05:47,850 --> 02:05:45,130
where we're having George he's gonna

2907
02:05:52,590 --> 02:05:47,860
speak to this he's gonna lay down why I

2908
02:05:55,550 --> 02:05:52,600
give credence to the Lazar story you

2909
02:05:58,050 --> 02:05:55,560
know Knapp is a an OBS kind of guy and

2910
02:06:00,330 --> 02:05:58,060
he's he's a true investigative

2911
02:06:03,330 --> 02:06:00,340
journalist and I don't think she would

2912
02:06:05,610 --> 02:06:03,340
say he believed something if he didn't I

2913
02:06:11,550 --> 02:06:05,620
believe him to be an honest person since

2914
02:06:13,380 --> 02:06:11,560
not Brian Williams then so I think it'll

2915
02:06:15,900 --> 02:06:13,390
be great to hear George and then the

2916
02:06:18,330 --> 02:06:15,910
hear Bob and at least right now I'm on

2917
02:06:21,390 --> 02:06:18,340
the fence and I want to hear this whole

2918
02:06:24,300 --> 02:06:21,400
thing before I go any further but I'm a

2919
02:06:27,090 --> 02:06:24,310
on the fence kind of guy anyway so it's

2920
02:06:29,610 --> 02:06:27,100
hard to be definitive with

2921
02:06:31,680 --> 02:06:29,620
very much in this field except for the

2922
02:06:33,390 --> 02:06:31,690
known complete hoaxes which are of

2923
02:06:34,950 --> 02:06:33,400
course out there I notice that's

2924
02:06:37,980 --> 02:06:34,960
interesting that the fact is that you're

2925
02:06:40,350 --> 02:06:37,990
not going whole hog into the prevailing

2926
02:06:43,230 --> 02:06:40,360
theory so do you have a theory as to

2927
02:06:44,700 --> 02:06:43,240
what's causing the appearance of UFOs do

2928
02:06:46,980 --> 02:06:44,710
you think there are several answers to

2929
02:06:50,420 --> 02:06:46,990
the unexplained cases what do you think

2930
02:06:53,310 --> 02:06:50,430
I think it's entirely possible that

2931
02:06:55,590 --> 02:06:53,320
extraterrestrials we are here you know I

2932
02:06:57,540 --> 02:06:55,600
think that I think it's kind of funny

2933
02:06:59,610 --> 02:06:57,550
because what comes to mind now that

2934
02:07:00,270 --> 02:06:59,620
we're talking about media people as Matt

2935
02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:00,280
Lauer

2936
02:07:05,700 --> 02:07:01,930
you know when the Stevensville thing

2937
02:07:07,800 --> 02:07:05,710
happened and rice asked Matt Lauer and

2938
02:07:10,470 --> 02:07:07,810
Al Roker do you guys believe in UFOs now

2939
02:07:11,640 --> 02:07:10,480
Roker says yes and she laughs and he's

2940
02:07:13,320 --> 02:07:11,650
like why are you laughing

2941
02:07:15,570 --> 02:07:13,330
and she says cuz you said you believe in

2942
02:07:17,700 --> 02:07:15,580
UFOs and you don't he said yes I do and

2943
02:07:20,250 --> 02:07:17,710
Matt Lauer says I do too and she's like

2944
02:07:22,260 --> 02:07:20,260
really and Matt Lauer says well if you

2945
02:07:24,180 --> 02:07:22,270
know we knew of creatures on another

2946
02:07:25,770 --> 02:07:24,190
planet we would try to go there and

2947
02:07:28,080 --> 02:07:25,780
observe them so why wouldn't they do

2948
02:07:31,020 --> 02:07:28,090
that to us and I think that's a good way

2949
02:07:33,540 --> 02:07:31,030
of framing it and that not only would we

2950
02:07:35,340 --> 02:07:33,550
go observe we would probably try to

2951
02:07:38,190 --> 02:07:35,350
kidnap some of them and do some

2952
02:07:40,620 --> 02:07:38,200
experiments and knock them out and then

2953
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:40,630
put them back in bed hoping that they

2954
02:07:46,530 --> 02:07:43,690
wouldn't notice anything happened so I

2955
02:07:48,120 --> 02:07:46,540
think that's entirely possible it's also

2956
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:48,130
possible that there are people from the

2957
02:07:52,260 --> 02:07:50,410
future it's also possible that there's

2958
02:07:54,870 --> 02:07:52,270
an explanation out there that we can

2959
02:07:56,400 --> 02:07:54,880
never imagine and I think this is kind

2960
02:07:58,800 --> 02:07:56,410
of one of the things that frustrates me

2961
02:08:00,710 --> 02:07:58,810
everybody wants answers but when you

2962
02:08:03,990 --> 02:08:00,720
look throughout history's mysteries

2963
02:08:07,260 --> 02:08:04,000
often the answers are things we never

2964
02:08:10,140 --> 02:08:07,270
could have imagined so there are answers

2965
02:08:13,320 --> 02:08:10,150
out there that we just can't even

2966
02:08:15,540 --> 02:08:13,330
conceive or or speculate on we can't

2967
02:08:18,390 --> 02:08:15,550
even they're just more mysterious and

2968
02:08:20,460 --> 02:08:18,400
then we have can come up with what might

2969
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be the answer there so there's

2970
02:08:24,870 --> 02:08:22,810
possibilities and there's revelations

2971
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for us in the future that we never could

2972
02:08:30,810 --> 02:08:27,820
have anticipated so we have to be open

2973
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to that and there will be no cliches

2974
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about whether we can handle the truth if

2975
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it was presented to us good do you think

2976
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that we'd lose the momentum of UFO

2977
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research when we

2978
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simply repeat the same old theories we

2979
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simply repeat the same old stories we

2980
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talk about I don't over again yeah I

2981
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don't think it hurts as long as we're

2982
02:08:58,420 --> 02:08:55,160
open and were it's in the sense of true

2983
02:09:00,880 --> 02:08:58,430
research as opposed to having foregone

2984
02:09:03,310 --> 02:09:00,890
conclusions about these things foregone

2985
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conclusions are never helpful but I

2986
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think they're interesting I mean here's

2987
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a good story that came out this last

2988
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year NSA and the NSA UFO file so it

2989
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could be argued come on we already went

2990
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there we already asked the NSA for their

2991
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files they gave us the files and they're

2992
02:09:22,360 --> 02:09:19,700
all redacted and whited out so it's like

2993
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done you know let's leave this alone

2994
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but John Greenwald pursued it and he was

2995
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able to get them to say this last year

2996
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we lost all of our UFO files those ones

2997
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you know cause had this big lawsuit it

2998
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was a big deal they knew these files

2999
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were a big deal and they conveniently

3000
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lose them I think that's a story and

3001
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that then raises a question why would

3002
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they quote-unquote lose these files

3003
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where are they what the hell's going on

3004
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here I think that's a great story that

3005
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came out from this last year - well I

3006
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think the less great story came out

3007
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earlier this year about the disclosure

3008
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of Project Blue Book files most of which

3009
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had already been disclosed but I do not

3010
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want to go there

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we have Alejandro Rojas joining G and

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you waiting for

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goodbye to the Cable Guy cut costs and

3118
02:14:49,689 --> 02:14:47,080
it's Greg Cameron from presidential UFO

3119
02:14:56,459 --> 02:14:49,699
calm you're listening to the para cast

3120
02:15:01,419 --> 02:14:59,350
with Gian Chris in the para cast this

3121
02:15:03,879 --> 02:15:01,429
has been such a fascinating session that

3122
02:15:05,560 --> 02:15:03,889
I now want to call Alejandro after the

3123
02:15:07,780 --> 02:15:05,570
show and we'll do lunch some day and

3124
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:07,790
continue this discussion without a

3125
02:15:10,990 --> 02:15:10,010
microphone without a recording equipment

3126
02:15:13,450 --> 02:15:11,000
so you won't know what we're talking

3127
02:15:15,609 --> 02:15:13,460
about isn't that fascinating

3128
02:15:18,069 --> 02:15:15,619
okay so maybe the government knows more

3129
02:15:20,260 --> 02:15:18,079
than what they claimed to know or

3130
02:15:21,850 --> 02:15:20,270
wouldn't it just be as convenient as

3131
02:15:23,620 --> 02:15:21,860
funnel all that stuff to private

3132
02:15:25,950 --> 02:15:23,630
industry so you have plausible

3133
02:15:28,569 --> 02:15:25,960
deniability we don't have any files

3134
02:15:31,629 --> 02:15:28,579
there you go what do you think well you

3135
02:15:34,540 --> 02:15:31,639
know I've suggested that and I mean it

3136
02:15:38,169 --> 02:15:34,550
makes complete sense that the private

3137
02:15:43,629 --> 02:15:38,179
sector would be a good place for a lot

3138
02:15:45,970 --> 02:15:43,639
of this stuff to go I mean we contract

3139
02:15:49,810 --> 02:15:45,980
out a lot of the military something like

3140
02:15:51,729 --> 02:15:49,820
the majority of forces quote-unquote

3141
02:15:55,810 --> 02:15:51,739
that we have in the Middle East for

3142
02:15:58,560 --> 02:15:55,820
instance our contractors mercenaries so

3143
02:16:00,760 --> 02:15:58,570
there's a lot of top-secret work and

3144
02:16:03,760 --> 02:16:00,770
collaboration done with the government

3145
02:16:06,669 --> 02:16:03,770
and the private sector so for instance

3146
02:16:09,399 --> 02:16:06,679
the colonel Corso story I should there

3147
02:16:11,709 --> 02:16:09,409
have been artifacts retrieved from

3148
02:16:13,569 --> 02:16:11,719
Roswell and you know the scenario he

3149
02:16:16,569 --> 02:16:13,579
provides where those would be farmed out

3150
02:16:18,910 --> 02:16:16,579
to private industry is probably pretty

3151
02:16:21,069 --> 02:16:18,920
accurate and in that case you know they

3152
02:16:23,669 --> 02:16:21,079
don't have to release their files with

3153
02:16:26,620 --> 02:16:23,679
there's no Sunshine Law when it comes to

3154
02:16:28,510 --> 02:16:26,630
private companies and they would be the

3155
02:16:30,640 --> 02:16:28,520
people the Air Force doesn't build their

3156
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rockets or their their jets and their

3157
02:16:34,660 --> 02:16:31,730
weapons

3158
02:16:36,429 --> 02:16:34,670
it's a it's a company that does that so

3159
02:16:38,320 --> 02:16:36,439
it would be a company that would be

3160
02:16:40,570 --> 02:16:38,330
building or working on some of these

3161
02:16:42,879 --> 02:16:40,580
things it's like you know even with Bob

3162
02:16:45,879 --> 02:16:42,889
Lazar sure it was and he says a navy

3163
02:16:47,320 --> 02:16:45,889
project but you know it was like I don't

3164
02:16:49,240 --> 02:16:47,330
know what company he says something like

3165
02:16:51,701 --> 02:16:49,250
EG&G or something like that I was

3166
02:16:53,500 --> 02:16:51,711
actually who he was working for

3167
02:16:56,800 --> 02:16:53,510
and of course Lockheed Martin was the

3168
02:16:59,201 --> 02:16:56,810
one who started the facility at area 151

3169
02:17:01,840 --> 02:16:59,211
in the first place at the behest of the

3170
02:17:04,121 --> 02:17:01,850
CIA in conjunction with the Air Force

3171
02:17:07,420 --> 02:17:04,131
and everybody so yeah these would be

3172
02:17:09,701 --> 02:17:07,430
locked away in corporate sort of

3173
02:17:12,241 --> 02:17:09,711
environments okay so was the iPhone

3174
02:17:16,541 --> 02:17:12,251
therefore based on alien technology

3175
02:17:18,460 --> 02:17:16,551
maybe Syria is et Syria is an alien

3176
02:17:20,470 --> 02:17:18,470
voice who's speaking to us and knows a

3177
02:17:23,710 --> 02:17:20,480
lot about where the closest coffee shop

3178
02:17:26,560 --> 02:17:23,720
is possible if anybody was an alien

3179
02:17:29,230 --> 02:17:26,570
Steve Jobs yeah I on my list

3180
02:17:30,430 --> 02:17:29,240
yeah on another topic I think Apple is

3181
02:17:33,611 --> 02:17:30,440
probably going to be in trouble now that

3182
02:17:35,140 --> 02:17:33,621
they've lost him but they've been saying

3183
02:17:36,430 --> 02:17:35,150
that for four years and they're making

3184
02:17:39,550 --> 02:17:36,440
bigger profits than ever

3185
02:17:41,920 --> 02:17:39,560
well yeah but I think that'll wane we'll

3186
02:17:43,960 --> 02:17:41,930
see that's my prediction they have no

3187
02:17:45,520 --> 02:17:43,970
vision for themselves anymore now

3188
02:17:49,151 --> 02:17:45,530
they're trying to be Android and Android

3189
02:17:51,460 --> 02:17:49,161
trying to be iPhone and it's stuck in

3190
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this game of trying to be mirror their

3191
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best competition instead of being you

3192
02:17:58,541 --> 02:17:55,820
know the ground breakers and treading on

3193
02:18:02,621 --> 02:17:58,551
taking the risks and treading on the

3194
02:18:04,571 --> 02:18:02,631
unbroken snow so I don't know I you know

3195
02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:04,581
it would private industry would have

3196
02:18:08,890 --> 02:18:07,010
more of a reason to lock away those

3197
02:18:11,020 --> 02:18:08,900
secrets if they were given some sort of

3198
02:18:13,210 --> 02:18:11,030
technology and kind of like Corso says

3199
02:18:15,100 --> 02:18:13,220
you wouldn't necessarily need to tell

3200
02:18:16,960 --> 02:18:15,110
them where this technology came from you

3201
02:18:19,031 --> 02:18:16,970
could say here's this came from Russia

3202
02:18:20,651 --> 02:18:19,041
this is something really advanced we

3203
02:18:21,220 --> 02:18:20,661
don't know how they did it take it and

3204
02:18:24,550 --> 02:18:21,230
run with it

3205
02:18:26,831 --> 02:18:24,560
someone would so I don't know I think

3206
02:18:28,630 --> 02:18:26,841
I'm just saying it's possible I don't

3207
02:18:31,840 --> 02:18:28,640
think everything Corso said was accurate

3208
02:18:33,911 --> 02:18:31,850
he's even said that he was taking

3209
02:18:36,430 --> 02:18:33,921
stories from his friends and other

3210
02:18:38,890 --> 02:18:36,440
people but if he's taking those stories

3211
02:18:41,380 --> 02:18:38,900
and reporting them to be his personal

3212
02:18:43,420 --> 02:18:41,390
stories then there's some fabrication

3213
02:18:46,210 --> 02:18:43,430
already going on there that is it

3214
02:18:48,970 --> 02:18:46,220
essentially admitted - so here again a

3215
02:18:51,550 --> 02:18:48,980
big dose of bill but bill burns with

3216
02:18:53,291 --> 02:18:51,560
that - so it's hard to know here again

3217
02:18:58,600 --> 02:18:53,301
separate you know the chaff from the

3218
02:19:00,340 --> 02:18:58,610
weak but but I think it's possible but I

3219
02:19:02,980 --> 02:19:00,350
don't know it is interesting that we've

3220
02:19:04,820 --> 02:19:02,990
had this extreme spike in technology you

3221
02:19:07,730 --> 02:19:04,830
know in the last

3222
02:19:11,360 --> 02:19:07,740
well it's exponential happening the last

3223
02:19:13,340 --> 02:19:11,370
at least hundred years and and why and

3224
02:19:15,831 --> 02:19:13,350
how and what that makes this a unique

3225
02:19:17,121 --> 02:19:15,841
time and place in history that's for

3226
02:19:19,820 --> 02:19:17,131
sure

3227
02:19:23,121 --> 02:19:19,830
many ones are smart and very ingenious

3228
02:19:25,701 --> 02:19:23,131
and know they're highly motivated sure I

3229
02:19:27,560 --> 02:19:25,711
think kids the by and large you know the

3230
02:19:29,900 --> 02:19:27,570
average person maybe not we've talked

3231
02:19:31,190 --> 02:19:29,910
about a lot of humans in this last hour

3232
02:19:32,710 --> 02:19:31,200
and a half and not one of them was a

3233
02:19:35,121 --> 02:19:32,720
very smart one

3234
02:19:37,550 --> 02:19:35,131
just kidding I'm kidding I'm totally

3235
02:19:41,600 --> 02:19:37,560
kidding William Shatner is very smart

3236
02:19:44,710 --> 02:19:41,610
okay there is the one person from Star

3237
02:19:47,900 --> 02:19:44,720
Trek who knew how to monetize everything

3238
02:19:55,310 --> 02:19:47,910
much more so than anybody else there no

3239
02:19:57,291 --> 02:19:55,320
he was mean no he's mean I hear yeah I

3240
02:19:59,150 --> 02:19:57,301
don't know I'm kidding with that human

3241
02:20:01,371 --> 02:19:59,160
stuff I think you're right humans are

3242
02:20:04,190 --> 02:20:01,381
very capable and it's entirely possible

3243
02:20:07,190 --> 02:20:04,200
we did it with that extraterrestrials

3244
02:20:09,261 --> 02:20:07,200
likely myself but and you know cuz I

3245
02:20:10,610 --> 02:20:09,271
think you know Stanton Friedman puts it

3246
02:20:12,770 --> 02:20:10,620
well when he says if you would have

3247
02:20:14,451 --> 02:20:12,780
given a nuclear submarine to Columbus he

3248
02:20:17,020 --> 02:20:14,461
would have been like oh he wouldn't have

3249
02:20:19,791 --> 02:20:17,030
been able to figure out a thing on that

3250
02:20:21,230 --> 02:20:19,801
device and and so even if we had

3251
02:20:23,390 --> 02:20:21,240
retrieved it does that mean we could

3252
02:20:25,251 --> 02:20:23,400
figure anything out well I love in

3253
02:20:30,881 --> 02:20:25,261
valets book fast walkers they couldn't

3254
02:20:35,991 --> 02:20:33,741
that's another great yeah which is

3255
02:20:37,881 --> 02:20:36,001
entirely possible and I really love the

3256
02:20:41,600 --> 02:20:37,891
work of these great thinkers because

3257
02:20:44,211 --> 02:20:41,610
we're losing them and as people go

3258
02:20:46,761 --> 02:20:44,221
people are not in as in to research

3259
02:20:50,150 --> 02:20:46,771
anymore they're more into discussion it

3260
02:20:54,650 --> 02:20:50,160
seems these days maybe with the quick

3261
02:20:56,780 --> 02:20:54,660
new cycles and the internet so we're

3262
02:20:58,820 --> 02:20:56,790
losing the researchers and the hard

3263
02:21:00,801 --> 02:20:58,830
thinkers and I think that you know

3264
02:21:03,291 --> 02:21:00,811
especially as a journalist we always

3265
02:21:04,701 --> 02:21:03,301
fall back to the experts and the experts

3266
02:21:07,970 --> 02:21:04,711
are the people who looked at and

3267
02:21:09,741 --> 02:21:07,980
researched for a long time a lot of

3268
02:21:12,171 --> 02:21:09,751
people who claim to be researchers these

3269
02:21:14,241 --> 02:21:12,181
days haven't done that but Hynek did

3270
02:21:16,251 --> 02:21:14,251
that ballet did that are two examples

3271
02:21:18,110 --> 02:21:16,261
and they were not set on the

3272
02:21:20,421 --> 02:21:18,120
extra-terrestrial

3273
02:21:23,350 --> 02:21:20,431
they're open to other explanations

3274
02:21:27,041 --> 02:21:23,360
because even with all of their hard work

3275
02:21:30,020 --> 02:21:27,051
years and years and years of academic

3276
02:21:33,051 --> 02:21:30,030
you know research they have not been

3277
02:21:34,280 --> 02:21:33,061
able to come to our conclusions valet

3278
02:21:36,950 --> 02:21:34,290
the only interview I got with him

3279
02:21:38,751 --> 02:21:36,960
admitted he thinks it's likely some of

3280
02:21:43,400 --> 02:21:38,761
this may be extraterrestrial in nature

3281
02:21:45,801 --> 02:21:43,410
but much of it probably isn't and at the

3282
02:21:48,131 --> 02:21:45,811
same idea that we just don't know yeah

3283
02:21:50,600 --> 02:21:48,141
you don't know where to draw the line

3284
02:21:51,921 --> 02:21:50,610
isn't it part of the problem though in

3285
02:21:54,921 --> 02:21:51,931
communicating with the public they

3286
02:21:56,270 --> 02:21:54,931
expect us to deliver answers and I keep

3287
02:21:59,091 --> 02:21:56,280
talking about the first public

3288
02:22:00,950 --> 02:21:59,101
appearance I made on a lecture I was in

3289
02:22:03,470 --> 02:22:00,960
my late teens maybe nineteen twenty

3290
02:22:05,600 --> 02:22:03,480
years of age been involved in UFO

3291
02:22:07,310 --> 02:22:05,610
research since I was very young and I

3292
02:22:09,051 --> 02:22:07,320
get up before the audience and I give

3293
02:22:11,801 --> 02:22:09,061
him all this fascinating evidence I

3294
02:22:14,780 --> 02:22:11,811
can't say I did very well or not but

3295
02:22:17,120 --> 02:22:14,790
somebody started asking I started a

3296
02:22:19,791 --> 02:22:17,130
chain reaction well what's the solution

3297
02:22:21,831 --> 02:22:19,801
and I said honestly there is no solution

3298
02:22:23,600 --> 02:22:21,841
yet we're trying to figure that out and

3299
02:22:24,950 --> 02:22:23,610
they really didn't like that they

3300
02:22:27,740 --> 02:22:24,960
complain why it doesn't mean you have

3301
02:22:29,600 --> 02:22:27,750
the answers no you're right in some

3302
02:22:31,940 --> 02:22:29,610
countries they talk about like in the

3303
02:22:34,160 --> 02:22:31,950
Middle East the authorities have to have

3304
02:22:37,131 --> 02:22:34,170
the answers so they'll come up with

3305
02:22:39,081 --> 02:22:37,141
answers even if it's it's BS because

3306
02:22:41,180 --> 02:22:39,091
that's their culture you're expected to

3307
02:22:43,671 --> 02:22:41,190
have the answer and we're like that in

3308
02:22:45,051 --> 02:22:43,681
ways too and and I'm gonna say my I'm

3309
02:22:46,640 --> 02:22:45,061
not going to come up with an I don't

3310
02:22:48,110 --> 02:22:46,650
have an answer there's a lot of my

3311
02:22:50,390 --> 02:22:48,120
favorite speakers who will come out and

3312
02:22:51,950 --> 02:22:50,400
say I don't know after all of these

3313
02:22:54,381 --> 02:22:51,960
years I don't know when you should be

3314
02:22:56,030 --> 02:22:54,391
suspect of anybody who does yeah

3315
02:22:59,030 --> 02:22:56,040
everybody's like yeah I agree I agree

3316
02:23:00,740 --> 02:22:59,040
but then those people who have the

3317
02:23:02,570 --> 02:23:00,750
answers are the most popular the ones

3318
02:23:03,890 --> 02:23:02,580
who are willing to come out and say I

3319
02:23:06,650 --> 02:23:03,900
have all the answers

3320
02:23:09,860 --> 02:23:06,660
this is it they Steve Bassets the David

3321
02:23:12,501 --> 02:23:09,870
Wilcock Steven Greer's here's all the

3322
02:23:13,581 --> 02:23:12,511
answers laid out before you people are

3323
02:23:15,650 --> 02:23:13,591
gonna love it they're gonna be like

3324
02:23:17,631 --> 02:23:15,660
finally I've got all the answers and now

3325
02:23:17,990 --> 02:23:17,641
I can move on with life and and they'll

3326
02:23:21,020 --> 02:23:18,000
love it

3327
02:23:22,730 --> 02:23:21,030
those people are very popular for those

3328
02:23:25,940 --> 02:23:22,740
reasons but I think what's interesting

3329
02:23:28,791 --> 02:23:25,950
and people misuse this term all the time

3330
02:23:32,020 --> 02:23:28,801
but this is accurate it's that whole

3331
02:23:37,911 --> 02:23:34,280
we're you know two facts that are

3332
02:23:41,240 --> 02:23:37,921
opposing to each other cognitive

3333
02:23:44,480 --> 02:23:41,250
dissonance die cognitive dissonance is

3334
02:23:47,511 --> 02:23:44,490
when you you know and these people will

3335
02:23:49,730 --> 02:23:47,521
go listen to these people who have all

3336
02:23:51,980 --> 02:23:49,740
the answers you know you go to some

3337
02:23:54,140 --> 02:23:51,990
conferences and they're all the people

3338
02:23:55,850 --> 02:23:54,150
who have all the answers and they

3339
02:23:57,501 --> 02:23:55,860
believe every single one of them even

3340
02:23:59,711 --> 02:23:57,511
though they're all saying something

3341
02:24:03,761 --> 02:23:59,721
completely different

3342
02:24:07,341 --> 02:24:03,771
it's uriens oh yeah it is your turians

3343
02:24:11,360 --> 02:24:07,351
oh yeah it is a playin twill which is it

3344
02:24:12,921 --> 02:24:11,370
oh it's Bo it's well those guys say if

3345
02:24:15,051 --> 02:24:12,931
you believe in one you're an idiot for

3346
02:24:16,940 --> 02:24:15,061
believing in the other let's stop right

3347
02:24:20,690 --> 02:24:16,950
now we have another segment left with

3348
02:24:26,020 --> 02:24:20,700
Alejandro Rojas believe it or not with

3349
02:24:30,940 --> 02:24:28,341
not just an alternative to the

3350
02:24:34,671 --> 02:24:30,950
mainstream media we're the premiere

3351
02:24:38,720 --> 02:24:34,681
independent talk radio network we are G

3352
02:24:40,490 --> 02:24:38,730
C n attack of the rock AIDS has been

3353
02:24:42,470 --> 02:24:40,500
well received by critics and readers

3354
02:24:45,261 --> 02:24:42,480
alike it's a thrill a minute story

3355
02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:45,271
you'll never forget a former US military

3356
02:24:49,881 --> 02:24:47,610
intelligence officer is haunted by

3357
02:24:52,520 --> 02:24:49,891
intense dreams about a beautiful woman

3358
02:24:55,280 --> 02:24:52,530
pleading for his help after a terrible

3359
02:24:57,411 --> 02:24:55,290
battle in outer space but the dreams

3360
02:24:59,211 --> 02:24:57,421
turn out to be true and thrust him into

3361
02:25:02,060 --> 02:24:59,221
a telepathic love affair with a woman

3362
02:25:04,400 --> 02:25:02,070
who's faraway planet is intent on

3363
02:25:07,251 --> 02:25:04,410
destroying the earth and now the

3364
02:25:09,711 --> 02:25:07,261
gripping tale continues in the coming of

3365
02:25:12,020 --> 02:25:09,721
the protectors it's the second book of

3366
02:25:13,911 --> 02:25:12,030
the rocco is Trillo gee a galaxy

3367
02:25:16,640 --> 02:25:13,921
spanning adventure that pits our hapless

3368
02:25:18,740 --> 02:25:16,650
heroes against powerful fanatical

3369
02:25:21,621 --> 02:25:18,750
enemies that threaten the lives of

3370
02:25:24,140 --> 02:25:21,631
freedom loving beings everywhere attack

3371
02:25:26,990 --> 02:25:24,150
of the rock aids and the coming of the

3372
02:25:30,261 --> 02:25:27,000
protectors classic science fiction at

3373
02:25:35,001 --> 02:25:30,271
its best available now for more details

3374
02:25:38,331 --> 02:25:35,011
visit Rocko is calm that's our Ock o IDs

3375
02:25:40,041 --> 02:25:38,341
calm as the New World Order continues to

3376
02:25:42,770 --> 02:25:40,051
tighten its grip on every facet of our

3377
02:25:44,310 --> 02:25:42,780
lives we're all asking ourselves how can

3378
02:25:47,700 --> 02:25:44,320
we maintain

3379
02:25:50,490 --> 02:25:47,710
our independence the answer is clear get

3380
02:25:53,671 --> 02:25:50,500
prepared and get prepared now the only

3381
02:25:55,921 --> 02:25:53,681
question left is where do we begin my

3382
02:25:57,930 --> 02:25:55,931
pay treat supply is here to help call

3383
02:26:00,810 --> 02:25:57,940
one eight hundred eighty four seven

3384
02:26:03,120 --> 02:26:00,820
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3385
02:26:05,400 --> 02:26:03,130
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3386
02:26:07,650 --> 02:26:05,410
for only ten dollars and they'll even

3387
02:26:10,440 --> 02:26:07,660
ship it out for free are you willing to

3388
02:26:14,220 --> 02:26:10,450
rely on the government and FEMA call

3389
02:26:16,461 --> 02:26:14,230
1-800 to seventy four three zero seven

3390
02:26:18,810 --> 02:26:16,471
zero to get started with your 72-hour

3391
02:26:20,820 --> 02:26:18,820
emergency food supply for only ten

3392
02:26:23,131 --> 02:26:20,830
dollars you won't be able to find this

3393
02:26:25,320 --> 02:26:23,141
deal online and there's a strict limit

3394
02:26:28,230 --> 02:26:25,330
of four per caller so don't wait call

3395
02:26:31,650 --> 02:26:28,240
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3396
02:26:34,980 --> 02:26:31,660
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3397
02:26:41,341 --> 02:26:34,990
hundred two seven four three zero seven

3398
02:26:43,171 --> 02:26:41,351
zero this alert just came in this

3399
02:26:45,360 --> 02:26:43,181
special announcement is for business

3400
02:26:47,251 --> 02:26:45,370
owners and leaders of organizations

3401
02:26:50,011 --> 02:26:47,261
who've been waiting for the right time

3402
02:26:51,751 --> 02:26:50,021
to build general steel has made it

3403
02:26:53,671 --> 02:26:51,761
impossible to wait any longer with

3404
02:26:55,860 --> 02:26:53,681
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3405
02:26:57,900 --> 02:26:55,870
thousands that's right general steel

3406
02:26:59,910 --> 02:26:57,910
America's leader in pre engineered

3407
02:27:02,041 --> 02:26:59,920
structures is offering buildings at

3408
02:27:04,410 --> 02:27:02,051
prices you will never see again don't

3409
02:27:05,791 --> 02:27:04,420
miss these prices of 50 by 100 for

3410
02:27:07,410 --> 02:27:05,801
thirty five thousand dollars

3411
02:27:08,881 --> 02:27:07,420
you heard right that's five thousand

3412
02:27:10,560 --> 02:27:08,891
square feet for thirty five thousand

3413
02:27:12,450 --> 02:27:10,570
dollars manufacturers if you need a

3414
02:27:14,100 --> 02:27:12,460
larger building try a 100 by 100

3415
02:27:16,110 --> 02:27:14,110
commercial building for a hundred and

3416
02:27:17,131 --> 02:27:16,120
twenty nine thousand you can't afford to

3417
02:27:19,530 --> 02:27:17,141
rent with these prices

3418
02:27:20,970 --> 02:27:19,540
imagine a 70 by 100 foot church building

3419
02:27:23,461 --> 02:27:20,980
for under sixty nine thousand dollars

3420
02:27:25,711 --> 02:27:23,471
with the economy improving and interest

3421
02:27:28,020 --> 02:27:25,721
rates still at historic lows you can't

3422
02:27:30,631 --> 02:27:28,030
afford to wait so call eight six six

3423
02:27:33,511 --> 02:27:30,641
ninety one steel lock in your price now

3424
02:27:36,091 --> 02:27:33,521
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3425
02:27:39,211 --> 02:27:36,101
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3426
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3427
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3428
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3429
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3430
02:27:49,320 --> 02:27:47,380
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3433
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3435
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02:28:05,599 --> 02:28:03,540
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3440
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02:28:14,960 --> 02:28:12,689
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3448
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3449
02:28:28,849 --> 02:28:27,000
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3450
02:28:31,040 --> 02:28:28,859
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3451
02:28:33,170 --> 02:28:31,050
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3452
02:28:41,820 --> 02:28:33,180
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3453
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[Music]

3454
02:28:49,551 --> 02:28:47,250
it's just a wrong flyer co-author of the

3455
02:28:55,280 --> 02:28:49,561
Cyclopes and other books you're

3456
02:28:57,261 --> 02:28:55,290
listening to the parrot cap where I've

3457
02:28:59,331 --> 02:28:57,271
done this time instead of prejudging

3458
02:29:01,490 --> 02:28:59,341
who's going to save the power cast I let

3459
02:29:03,951 --> 02:29:01,500
them decide it psychically how do you

3460
02:29:06,621 --> 02:29:03,961
know I don't you know who said it

3461
02:29:08,661 --> 02:29:06,631
listen I can reach my hand into Skype

3462
02:29:10,820 --> 02:29:08,671
into your picture and grab you by the

3463
02:29:15,860 --> 02:29:10,830
neck and force it I haven't used that

3464
02:29:18,291 --> 02:29:15,870
secret ability yet gene Steinberg thinks

3465
02:29:20,150 --> 02:29:18,301
he can put his hand through his iMac and

3466
02:29:23,360 --> 02:29:20,160
therefore reach the head of Chris

3467
02:29:25,881 --> 02:29:23,370
O'Brien or Alejandro Rojas or any guest

3468
02:29:27,801 --> 02:29:25,891
we're having so much fun this two hours

3469
02:29:29,060 --> 02:29:27,811
is flew by there's been a number of

3470
02:29:31,400 --> 02:29:29,070
people that have been wondering about

3471
02:29:33,711 --> 02:29:31,410
Stan Romanek I know that you've been

3472
02:29:35,871 --> 02:29:33,721
friends with Stan and Lisa for many

3473
02:29:40,400 --> 02:29:35,881
years you've been following that case

3474
02:29:42,411 --> 02:29:40,410
since 2000 as have I in light of some of

3475
02:29:44,570 --> 02:29:42,421
the really unfortunate stuff that's

3476
02:29:46,850 --> 02:29:44,580
happened to Stan over the past year a

3477
02:29:49,820 --> 02:29:46,860
year and a half what is your feeling

3478
02:29:52,970 --> 02:29:49,830
about that case what is his status right

3479
02:29:54,831 --> 02:29:52,980
now what are your feelings about these

3480
02:29:56,871 --> 02:29:54,841
charges that have been leveled against

3481
02:29:58,761 --> 02:29:56,881
him and kind of give us a quick

3482
02:30:02,720 --> 02:29:58,771
thumbnail update if you would on the

3483
02:30:08,060 --> 02:30:02,730
romanette case okay it's hard to talk

3484
02:30:10,610 --> 02:30:08,070
about but I'll give you what it's hard

3485
02:30:12,140 --> 02:30:10,620
to talk about because Lisa especially I

3486
02:30:15,140 --> 02:30:12,150
love Lisa to death

3487
02:30:19,390 --> 02:30:15,150
she's an absolute wonderful person she's

3488
02:30:22,961 --> 02:30:19,400
an honest person and her family are

3489
02:30:25,551 --> 02:30:22,971
really close friends of mine I really

3490
02:30:28,761 --> 02:30:25,561
love those people and do not want to

3491
02:30:30,530 --> 02:30:28,771
bring any hardship or pain upon them

3492
02:30:37,131 --> 02:30:30,540
whatsoever because they don't deserve

3493
02:30:39,411 --> 02:30:37,141
that but as far as these charges I do

3494
02:30:42,411 --> 02:30:39,421
not you know think anything's a foregone

3495
02:30:44,841 --> 02:30:42,421
conclusion at this point I am waiting I

3496
02:30:46,911 --> 02:30:44,851
think to hear what the evidence is

3497
02:30:48,470 --> 02:30:46,921
because we don't know everything because

3498
02:30:52,131 --> 02:30:48,480
of course the case hasn't gone to trial

3499
02:30:55,309 --> 02:30:52,141
so we'll see to that it's just it when I

3500
02:30:57,769 --> 02:30:55,319
first read about these charges I was a

3501
02:31:00,260 --> 02:30:57,779
slack-jawed because it that was the last

3502
02:31:02,719 --> 02:31:00,270
thing i'd ever expect to hear I mean

3503
02:31:05,480 --> 02:31:02,729
Stan may be a lot of things but you know

3504
02:31:07,519 --> 02:31:05,490
what to what they're trying to say with

3505
02:31:09,920 --> 02:31:07,529
trial pornography and in this sort of

3506
02:31:11,990 --> 02:31:09,930
thing and it just didn't something about

3507
02:31:14,059 --> 02:31:12,000
that just didn't ring true to me I must

3508
02:31:16,910 --> 02:31:14,069
say I have a lot of problems with Stan

3509
02:31:18,679 --> 02:31:16,920
in the case and some of the you know

3510
02:31:20,300 --> 02:31:18,689
some of the elements of the case and

3511
02:31:22,460 --> 02:31:20,310
being caught red-handed trying to hoax

3512
02:31:24,469 --> 02:31:22,470
during interviews and that sort of thing

3513
02:31:26,150 --> 02:31:24,479
you know kind of leave me a little cold

3514
02:31:27,740 --> 02:31:26,160
because I'm pretty pretty much a

3515
02:31:30,139 --> 02:31:27,750
stickler for being straight up about

3516
02:31:33,110 --> 02:31:30,149
things but but to be honest with you I

3517
02:31:35,570 --> 02:31:33,120
have a hard time believing that that he

3518
02:31:39,080 --> 02:31:35,580
would be dumb enough to to allow himself

3519
02:31:43,309 --> 02:31:39,090
to be caught in in such tawdry

3520
02:31:46,790 --> 02:31:43,319
circumstances yeah well it's hard you

3521
02:31:49,400 --> 02:31:46,800
know but he has done some really stupid

3522
02:31:52,010 --> 02:31:49,410
things it's an example that's similar to

3523
02:31:54,440 --> 02:31:52,020
the Don Schmidt thing in that you know

3524
02:31:58,429 --> 02:31:54,450
he had a group of people around him such

3525
02:32:01,519 --> 02:31:58,439
as Nancy Talbot myself others who have

3526
02:32:04,460 --> 02:32:01,529
always tried to help guide him but he's

3527
02:32:09,410 --> 02:32:04,470
always done his own thing and his own

3528
02:32:13,969 --> 02:32:09,420
thing has often been self aggrandizing

3529
02:32:17,420 --> 02:32:13,979
but exaggeration to the point of extreme

3530
02:32:19,760 --> 02:32:17,430
inaccuracy and which is a major problem

3531
02:32:21,830 --> 02:32:19,770
a lot of times he would let his wife

3532
02:32:23,780 --> 02:32:21,840
correct him because she knew she'd be

3533
02:32:25,219 --> 02:32:23,790
like no Stan that's not what happened

3534
02:32:28,429 --> 02:32:25,229
that's not you know you're you're

3535
02:32:30,139 --> 02:32:28,439
overstating things and a lot of things

3536
02:32:31,460 --> 02:32:30,149
is he just doesn't he's not he doesn't

3537
02:32:34,160 --> 02:32:31,470
have a good memory and he doesn't

3538
02:32:38,120 --> 02:32:34,170
understand how important it the accuracy

3539
02:32:40,340 --> 02:32:38,130
is and another problem is he's outright

3540
02:32:42,860 --> 02:32:40,350
faked and light he's done that I'm

3541
02:32:46,280 --> 02:32:42,870
confident he's done that he's lied to me

3542
02:32:48,320 --> 02:32:46,290
before and I've caught him in lies so

3543
02:32:51,740 --> 02:32:48,330
why so after let's says shortcut this

3544
02:32:53,780 --> 02:32:51,750
okay even if he had at the core of it an

3545
02:32:56,510 --> 02:32:53,790
authentic experience and I think that

3546
02:32:58,880 --> 02:32:56,520
might apply to other so-called contact

3547
02:33:00,860 --> 02:32:58,890
these even if he had one or more genuine

3548
02:33:03,920 --> 02:33:00,870
experiences as soon as you starts flying

3549
02:33:05,389 --> 02:33:03,930
drop it get to something else well I

3550
02:33:07,400 --> 02:33:05,399
think there's a lot of reasons why

3551
02:33:08,550 --> 02:33:07,410
bother first of all for me why bother

3552
02:33:11,160 --> 02:33:08,560
because I have a vested in

3553
02:33:13,710 --> 02:33:11,170
interest in his family and and they are

3554
02:33:16,500 --> 02:33:13,720
close friends of mine the other thing is

3555
02:33:18,120 --> 02:33:16,510
is why would someone do this I don't

3556
02:33:20,729 --> 02:33:18,130
think this is the first case that

3557
02:33:23,219 --> 02:33:20,739
someone had a genuine experience and

3558
02:33:25,679 --> 02:33:23,229
then I began to exaggerate it and then

3559
02:33:28,050 --> 02:33:25,689
maybe even begin to fabricate that more

3560
02:33:30,030 --> 02:33:28,060
we started what's going on and all the

3561
02:33:32,880 --> 02:33:30,040
attention is becomes kind of like a

3562
02:33:35,370 --> 02:33:32,890
narcotic why and how does this happen I

3563
02:33:37,710 --> 02:33:35,380
have a feeling that Billy Meyer might

3564
02:33:41,370 --> 02:33:37,720
have had a real UFO sighting and maybe a

3565
02:33:43,950 --> 02:33:41,380
real UFO photograph sorted Adamski so

3566
02:33:48,059 --> 02:33:43,960
did Daniel Frye I mean down the list so

3567
02:33:50,550 --> 02:33:48,069
this is a common phenomena then you know

3568
02:33:53,639 --> 02:33:50,560
these people beginning because I believe

3569
02:33:56,280 --> 02:33:53,649
Billy Meyer then went in to hoax photos

3570
02:33:58,349 --> 02:33:56,290
and you know to hoax they's claiming to

3571
02:34:01,319 --> 02:33:58,359
be in contact with aliens maybe he even

3572
02:34:03,800 --> 02:34:01,329
convinced himself of it so why does this

3573
02:34:07,109 --> 02:34:03,810
happen I think we have to examine it and

3574
02:34:09,960 --> 02:34:07,119
view it these are extraordinary things

3575
02:34:13,290 --> 02:34:09,970
happening to very normal regular people

3576
02:34:16,189 --> 02:34:13,300
and how do people handle things like

3577
02:34:18,979 --> 02:34:16,199
this so what is the grain of truth and

3578
02:34:23,790 --> 02:34:18,989
withstand there are some extraordinary

3579
02:34:26,490 --> 02:34:23,800
events that I think may have really

3580
02:34:28,830 --> 02:34:26,500
happened and and that's what makes it to

3581
02:34:31,859 --> 02:34:28,840
me interesting some of the minutiae

3582
02:34:34,800 --> 02:34:31,869
details of the case that others don't

3583
02:34:36,960 --> 02:34:34,810
have insight and it's so complicated

3584
02:34:38,849 --> 02:34:36,970
that I could see people just washing

3585
02:34:41,099 --> 02:34:38,859
their hands of it I don't think I'll

3586
02:34:44,670 --> 02:34:41,109
ever wash my hands of it for for those

3587
02:34:47,550 --> 02:34:44,680
reasons and I want to try to and it's

3588
02:34:49,410 --> 02:34:47,560
hard to even present it to people but I

3589
02:34:51,510 --> 02:34:49,420
want to try to do that in fact I think

3590
02:34:52,950 --> 02:34:51,520
I'm going to do a workshop at contact in

3591
02:34:55,530 --> 02:34:52,960
the desert where I share with people

3592
02:34:57,840 --> 02:34:55,540
look here's the hard stuff of the case

3593
02:34:59,580 --> 02:34:57,850
but here's some of the crazy stuff I

3594
02:35:01,920 --> 02:34:59,590
can't explain what do you think kind of

3595
02:35:03,300 --> 02:35:01,930
have an interactive and just ask people

3596
02:35:06,179 --> 02:35:03,310
what do you think you know it's a good

3597
02:35:07,410 --> 02:35:06,189
idea yeah to have a discussion about it

3598
02:35:09,929 --> 02:35:07,420
and I do this with a lot of my

3599
02:35:13,080 --> 02:35:09,939
colleagues just to discuss it to help

3600
02:35:15,899 --> 02:35:13,090
guide me in and process it in my mind to

3601
02:35:19,019 --> 02:35:15,909
try to figure out what to do with it so

3602
02:35:22,019 --> 02:35:19,029
we'll see what happens I mean that his

3603
02:35:22,560 --> 02:35:22,029
defense tried to go for a kind of a plea

3604
02:35:26,100 --> 02:35:22,570
of insane

3605
02:35:28,890 --> 02:35:26,110
that got turned down the nature of that

3606
02:35:32,011 --> 02:35:28,900
I don't know but certainly it sounds

3607
02:35:34,200 --> 02:35:32,021
like the prosecution it's using his EP

3608
02:35:37,710 --> 02:35:34,210
claims as evidence of him being a liar

3609
02:35:39,780 --> 02:35:37,720
and a hoaxster so we'll see where it all

3610
02:35:43,770 --> 02:35:39,790
goes or if that even gets into the

3611
02:35:45,840 --> 02:35:43,780
courtroom because apparently at least as

3612
02:35:48,660 --> 02:35:45,850
far he has not taken a plea and it's

3613
02:35:49,560 --> 02:35:48,670
gonna go to the courtroom so we'll see

3614
02:35:53,550 --> 02:35:49,570
what happens

3615
02:35:56,820 --> 02:35:53,560
III don't know I can't say that he's

3616
02:35:59,520 --> 02:35:56,830
innocent and was set up yeah I mean I

3617
02:36:00,450 --> 02:35:59,530
don't believe that I there's no reason

3618
02:36:02,780 --> 02:36:00,460
to set him up

3619
02:36:05,190 --> 02:36:02,790
it's a a lot of people say Williams

3620
02:36:07,320 --> 02:36:05,200
Wendell Stevens was set up and I'm sorry

3621
02:36:13,080 --> 02:36:07,330
people and I know people get upset he

3622
02:36:15,660 --> 02:36:13,090
was not said swim in his pool we've got

3623
02:36:18,780 --> 02:36:15,670
you know all of his files we've got all

3624
02:36:21,330 --> 02:36:18,790
of this information he and here's the

3625
02:36:23,130 --> 02:36:21,340
other thing if he was set up they did a

3626
02:36:25,200 --> 02:36:23,140
terrible job because he didn't begin

3627
02:36:28,470 --> 02:36:25,210
writing books till he went to prison and

3628
02:36:31,290 --> 02:36:28,480
he wrote most of his books his UFO books

3629
02:36:33,960 --> 02:36:31,300
from prison so people he was just a

3630
02:36:35,670 --> 02:36:33,970
quiet researcher until he went to prison

3631
02:36:37,590 --> 02:36:35,680
and then all of a sudden he started

3632
02:36:39,270 --> 02:36:37,600
getting all this UFO stuff out he was

3633
02:36:42,390 --> 02:36:39,280
able to work with China to get their

3634
02:36:44,550 --> 02:36:42,400
amazing UFO sightings into books into a

3635
02:36:48,420 --> 02:36:44,560
book and so I mean he did a lot for

3636
02:36:50,850 --> 02:36:48,430
ufology and UFO stuff while in prison so

3637
02:36:54,420 --> 02:36:50,860
it didn't work if they were trying to

3638
02:36:57,480 --> 02:36:54,430
silence him and you know Stan had really

3639
02:37:00,630 --> 02:36:57,490
done major damage to himself before

3640
02:37:02,970 --> 02:37:00,640
these allegations even came forth yes

3641
02:37:04,500 --> 02:37:02,980
Laura the story of Stan Romanick in

3642
02:37:06,660 --> 02:37:04,510
future episodes

3643
02:37:09,480 --> 02:37:06,670
Alejandro where can we find more of the

3644
02:37:10,830 --> 02:37:09,490
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3645
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3646
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3647
02:37:17,280 --> 02:37:15,521
course we're gonna be really busy with

3648
02:37:18,630 --> 02:37:17,290
the UFO Congress you can find that at

3649
02:37:20,460 --> 02:37:18,640
UFO congress.com

3650
02:37:22,290 --> 02:37:20,470
Chris will be there clifford mahooty

3651
02:37:24,210 --> 02:37:22,300
probably many of the people you've had

3652
02:37:27,870 --> 02:37:24,220
as guests but you can really find

3653
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3654
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minds not TV and Chris I will also be at

3655
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the International UFO Congress getting

3656
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